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BristolUK Sep 22nd 2015 4:02 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Ah so now they're well off.

What next, they're Chelsea fans? :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Shard Sep 22nd 2015 4:48 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11755137)
The latest consensus is those trying to enter Europe illegally are relatively well off and are not the ones who are struggling to feed themselves. The poorest are those that remain in the camps who don't have money to pay the smugglers.

And then there is the vast majority, who are refugees, and whose wealth is immaterial.

paw339 Sep 22nd 2015 5:12 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11755209)
And then there is the vast majority, who are refugees, and whose wealth is immaterial.

I agree the millions who remain in Turkey, Lebanon and other Middle Eastern countries are real refugees. Those rushing into Europe to pick the best country to live in are economic migrants.

Shard Sep 22nd 2015 6:12 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11755241)
I agree the millions who remain in Turkey, Lebanon and other Middle Eastern countries are real refugees. Those rushing into Europe to pick the best country to live in are economic migrants.

They should be grateful for their bowl of porridge shouldn't they. :sarcasm:

MikeUK Sep 22nd 2015 7:24 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11755209)
And then there is the vast majority, who are refugees, and whose wealth is immaterial.

yeh......

wouldn't be too sure that it's a vast majority

Figures coming in from the German government is suggesting it's less as they start registering them

Quiet a lot of Balkans in these migrant routes....

MikeUK Sep 23rd 2015 1:36 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11755330)
yeh......

wouldn't be too sure that it's a vast majority

Figures coming in from the German government is suggesting it's less as they start registering them

Quiet a lot of Balkans in these migrant routes....

........and now for the press to get in on it

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...pm_world_pop_b

Migrants are disguising themselves as Syrians to enter Europe

Its interesting how the perspective can change when it not just pictures, but when the reporter can tell a Syrian accent and knows his way a round Syria, and those he's talking to don't ??

I'd suggest immediate deportation for those (including families) that arrive pretending to be refugees... no right of appeal .... and no right to return
It'd be easier and cheaper than sending them to prison or trying to fine them, as "•Attempt to enter or obtain entry to *********by wilfully concealing, falsifying, or misrepresenting material facts" is a crime one that for many EU countries comes with imprisonment and fines.....

BristolUK Sep 23rd 2015 2:23 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11755886)
...when the reporter can tell a Syrian accent and knows his way a round Syria, and those he's talking to don't.....

And that's EXACTLY the sort of thing the authorities discover during the asylum application process when someone pretends to be something they are not.

Shard Sep 23rd 2015 4:13 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11755930)
And that's EXACTLY the sort of thing the authorities discover during the asylum application process when someone pretends to be something they are not.

+1

There is always going to be opportunism, and the EU's mishandling of the refugee crisis had only exacerbated this. Nevertheless, one only needs to look at the pre-existing numbers of refugees in countries surrounding Iraq Syria to evidence that most will be legitimate.

MikeUK Sep 23rd 2015 4:18 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11755930)
And that's EXACTLY the sort of thing the authorities discover during the asylum application process when someone pretends to be something they are not.

Which is why so many are avoiding it and why it should always be done at point of entry....

MikeUK Sep 23rd 2015 4:19 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11756012)
+1
Nevertheless, one only needs to look at the pre-existing numbers of refugees in countries surrounding Iraq Syria to evidence that most will be legitimate.

So I take it you didn't read the article....

BristolUK Sep 23rd 2015 4:45 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11756018)
Which is why so many are avoiding it and why it should always be done at point of entry....

But they are not avoiding it.

It doesn't matter when it's done, so long as it's done. And when it's done the applications won't be accepted because they can't satisfy the sort of basic information referred to.

I'd also suggest that at the point of entry, en masse, the authorities are much less likely to be able to access the sort of information that would reveal any bogus claims and they are, perhaps, more likely to pass people 'on the nod' as it were. Almost a formality.

Is that what you want or would you prefer a more organised, more measured method of dealing with everyone later?

Yorkiechef Sep 23rd 2015 6:46 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
This European problem is of merkel's making. Come and you will have refuge, when they get there it's too many for us, hey EU, bail us out, take a load of these, too many for us.

Incidentally, those requesting asylum in UK, irrespective of likelyhood, are released, if they are unsuccessful, they disappear into the underworld of illegal work, better than being a taxi driver in Syria. Europe can't fix this problem, it will just escalate into a bigger and bigger problem. I remember someone said on here that the problem of the poor folk in this world is borders, until the borders come down, we will have inequality in the world. Well they are down now, let's see what happens shall we.

Oh, meant to say, if you live in a farm, orchard, good schools and so on, you won't be affected by this, your schools and countryside and your perfect little world will go by without a second thought. However the working class will be affected, they live in towns and city's and their children will be taught alongside people that don't speak a work of English. God help us all.

dbd33 Sep 23rd 2015 6:59 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef (Post 11756183)
This European problem is of merkel's making. Come and you will have refuge, when they get there it's too many for us, hey EU, bail us out, take a load of these, too many for us.

Incidentally, those requesting asylum in UK, irrespective of likelyhood, are released, if they are unsuccessful, they disappear into the underworld of illegal work, better than being a taxi driver in Syria. Europe can't fix this problem, it will just escalate into a bigger and bigger problem. I remember someone said on here that the problem of the poor folk in this world is borders, until the borders come down, we will have inequality in the world. Well they are down now, let's see what happens shall we.

Oh, meant to say, if you live in a farm, orchard, good schools and so on, you won't be affected by this, your schools and countryside and your perfect little world will go by without a second thought. However the working class will be affected, they live in towns and city's and their children will be taught alongside people that don't speak a work of English. God help us all.

Are many people in Syria taxi drivers?

Shard Sep 23rd 2015 7:18 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11756020)
So I take it you didn't read the article....

I read it. What point am I missing? Did it say that there are no Syrian refugees? Or that the Syrian refugees are a minority?

It's certainly not news that there are migrants posing as refugees in the mass of people, it's totally expected. The refugees are assessed and accepted, the migrants are rejected.

JamesM Sep 23rd 2015 7:18 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef (Post 11756183)

Oh, meant to say, if you live in a farm, orchard, good schools and so on, you won't be affected by this, your schools and countryside and your perfect little world will go by without a second thought. However the working class will be affected, they live in towns and city's and their children will be taught alongside people that don't speak a work of English. God help us all.

Of course working class people live in London because the property is highly affordable there.


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