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are we ready to put Somalia, and the Afghans into that group....as they are part of this issue too
along with Eritrea, Nigeria, and a few more.... ?

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No disagreement there. That can actually be addressed in other ways though and since you appear to accept "the vast majority are innocent" it seems like overkill to deny them for the acts of a few.

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One of the biggest issues with the current crisis is that even if you decide someone is not an genuine Asylum seeker or a criminal the ridiculous human rights rules often stop you expelling that person. A German policewoman was severely injured today in a knife attack from a convicted terrorist who the Germans couldn't deport. Berlin knife attack: German police shoot dead 'terrorist' after officer is stabbed | World | News | Daily Express

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Not often. Sometimes.

When there's a particular set of circumstances, yes. Facing a death penalty is a fairly standard reason for a European country not extraditing or deporting someone. Whether that person is an asylum seeker or not it's the same principle applied.

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Human rights laws are ridiculous. People don't really need them, and those that do are probably just benefit scroungers.

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So after a couple of weeks after that photograph and endless news articles and video of the plight of the Syrian refugees it appears that not all of these people you see are actually Syrians. Granted the recent pics seen are not being accounted for in the latest release BUT this has been going on for several months.
These stats are taken from Eurostat which is the EC agency collecting stats from countries that are registering these migrants.

For the 2nd quarter
Syria (44 000 first time asylum applicants, or 21%
Afghanistan (27 000 first time asylum applicants, or 13%
Albania with 17 700 first time applicants (or 8% of the EU total) during the second quarter 2015,
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documen...b-cc9b4f6a838f

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Well there's the solution right there. Send them all to the Safe Haven that is Afghanistan. :lol:

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Is Albania at war can't say Ive been seeing news reports about that country?
Also mentioned in the link are citizens from these countries who were counted in the 215,000 registered

Russia, Serbia, Ukraine, Nigeria, Pakistan,Kosovo, Iraq, Eritrea and Somalia.

So all genuine refugees or perhaps a couple of economic migrants thrown in?

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No mention of the Turks Kurds Lebanese Palestinian that were all denied previously, but with no documentation of their names, will all become jurgan smidt. There are no borders between the Middle East and Europe. Did I forget the Pakistanis afghans......Germany is welcome to them all, be prepared that when they get German citizenship, they will move again, perhaps to UK.

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The way it's been reported seems to be to deny a refugee problem because they're not all Syrians, therefore there aren't refugees.

It needs remembering that those who qualify for asylum also include those with a well grounded fear of persecution or whatever the phrase is. That's more than just Syria. Maybe not Albania but certainly others listed.

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Asylum is a process. It is not citizenship; it is not PR. It is temporary residency and limited benefits while risk of persecution is verified. It's not a perfect process, but it aims to protect people.

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If they are Eastern European women then I say let them come.

Ive been trying for years to talk the Management at Hooters into letting me help them with recruitment.

No dice so far :-(

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They're probably after you specifically so watch your back.

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IMO the biggest problem we face about Asylum, immigration and migration is with the exception of a few on the extreme left and right, no politician seems willing or able to talk openly and sensibly about the realities of the situation and the future. It took all of 2 days for Croatia to realise its idealistic welcome to the flood of migrants was untenable. There are hundreds of millions of people in the world who would probably qualify as a refugee and if every single one of them was resettled over the next 10 years in 10 years time there probably still would be hundreds of millions of people who qualify as refugees. Just look at Afghanistan. Now add a few more wars caused by an extra billion people in Africa and climate change?

So should we stick with the present system which makes it relatively easy to claim Asylum and places no limit on the number of Asylum claims but then makes it incredibly difficult to get to Canada to claim asylum in the first place? Should you be able to jump the queue by illegally entering a country and claim asylum directly rather than via the UN from refugee camps? Should countries be allowed to fix a maximum number of Asylum places a year and then only offer temporary humanitarian visas to anyone else. Should we allow a million refugees to come to Canada every year as per Germany after all so many people deserve a better life? Should the number refugees a country accepts be affected by any negative effects on the host countries population? Look at Sweden; they have already had to close at least one school because of violence between different groups of refugees/immigrants and over 50% of all murders are now carried out by first or second generation immigrants. But then look at Canada and how well the Vietnamese boat people have settled into Canada? Does the Culture of a refugee and how well you think someone might settle in matter when deciding who to offer refugee status to? Should we just accept the world is a melting pot and we are all in this together or should we leave the people of country "x" to sort out their own problems without interference? How much aid should we offer when homelessness, poverty and unemployment exists in Canada?

edit Having reread the above it comes across as a bit hard. Perhaps in the long-term a hard solution is the only solution. I Really hope that's not the case.

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The bigger picture needs to be addressed to halt the movement of people.

That is doing more to prevent wars.

And more importantly redistributing wealth and resources so people don't feel a need to leave.

The system was inevitably going to collapse with so much wealth and resource hoarded with certain people or in certain places. It was just a matter of time.