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Shard Feb 8th 2016 10:26 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11861533)
According to this article (with copies of memos) Turkey was blackmailing the EU to extract money, including threatening to allow 10-15 thousand people to die crossing the sea. If true (not familiar with the source) I'm not surprised at the ruthlessness shown by Erdogan.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/201...ees-to-europe/

Indeed. He's really driving Turkey backwards.

leith Feb 9th 2016 5:33 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Backwards to what or where? Maybe he figures that 3 million migrants already is more than enough. Or maybe he's tired of Angela Merkel trying to bully other countries into cleaning up the mess she's made of Europe by her idiotic open-door migration policy.

Shard Feb 9th 2016 6:37 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by leith (Post 11862477)
Backwards to what or where? Maybe he figures that 3 million migrants already is more than enough. Or maybe he's tired of Angela Merkel trying to bully other countries into cleaning up the mess she's made of Europe by her idiotic open-door migration policy.

His push toward conservative Islamic doctrine is eroding secularism in Turkey. It's a good bell weather for Europeans to be aware that 'a little Islam' is never a good thing.

caretaker Feb 9th 2016 7:35 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
There's a whole lot of NIMBY going on, and we'll work our way through it as usual. If we suddenly had a million Syrians coming instead of 25,000 a lot of people would have their necks out.

paw339 Feb 12th 2016 4:20 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
A quote from RT's news feed today.

Austria urges Macedonia to be ready to ‘completely’ halt migrant flow
Austria has urged Macedonia to stand ready to “completely stop” the migrant flow across its southern border from Greece. Vienna warned that it would follow the same suit within months. "Most probably in the coming months our maximum number will be reached, so Austria will have to stop the migrants at its border," Austria’s foreign minister said during a visit to the Macedonian capital, Skopje. "Macedonia must be ready to completely stop the entry of migrants on its borders," he said as cited by Reuters. Having received more than 90,000 migrants in 2015, Austria decided to cut the number of asylum seekers to 37,000 in 2016.

BristolUK Feb 12th 2016 4:24 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11865705)
A quote from RT's news feed today.

Austria urges Macedonia...

I remember when the radio times just gave information about the telly and what was on. :lol:

leith Feb 15th 2016 8:37 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Here's an interesting site which has recent figures on the migrants Canada has been bringing in over the past few months.
#WelcomeRefugees: Key figures
Some of the comparisons between privately sponsored migrants (PSMs) and those sponsored by the government (GARs) are striking. For example,52% of the privately sponsored "groups" consist of just one person whereas 53% of the GARs have 5-8 people in the group (family). Among the GARs, 85% speak neither English nor French while among the privately sponsored, only 38% speak neither official language. There's no data on the education levels of the privately sponsored but of the GARs,40% aged 14 or younger have no education and of those 15 or older only 8% have any post-secondary education.
This explains why, in spite of all the media spin and feel good stories, Canada is actually struggling to cope with the migrants the government keeps bringing in over such a short time. Housing the large families of GARs (some of whom have 10 children) is a continuing problem, schools which are already crowded are being sent more children who have no education and can't speak English or French, waiting times for ESL classes are over a year in some places, and in spite of the government's assertion that we are bringing in well-educated people, its own statistics prove that we are not.
The web site cited above also has figures on the numbers of text messages and phone calls made by the UNHR trying to get migrants in camps in Lebanon and Jordan to come to Canada and the low response rate it received.
Quite clearly,the government of Canada had no plan for dealing with migrants except to lure them on to planes and dump them wherever it could. It hasn't even begun to address the problem of how a family or five or more can be supported by the income of a single wage earner with no education and who can't speak English of French or the impact on the health care system of thousands of people who have had little or no medical or dental care for years.
The government should have a long hard look at the statistics on its own web site before it brings in any more migrants and blithely assumes that somehow Canadians will clean up the mess it's making.

paw339 Feb 15th 2016 9:00 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
But Leith you need to look at this from a politicians point of view. They get to make a nice speech or two, get a photo at the airport, someone else picks up the bill and if you are criticised you just call them a racist to deflect the criticism away from yourself.

Where is the problem?

jamesmc Feb 15th 2016 9:12 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Leith..i have noticed the amount of anger in our area (rural small town no major employers) is something to believed ,yes its not very PC but when it was reported in a larger nearish town newspaper that Syrian refugees were getting free dentist care etc .Even the sweet old grannies are up in arms at what they see as non Canadians getting better treatment than their grandkids . Its a strange time we are living in and I hope our masters in the liberal party know what they are doing as I can see if one or two terrorist attacks in Canada are found to be done by refugees things are going to go really bad quickly.

dbd33 Feb 15th 2016 9:23 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by jamesmc (Post 11868546)
Leith..i have noticed the amount of anger in our area (rural small town no major employers) is something to believed ,yes its not very PC but when it was reported in a larger nearish town newspaper that Syrian refugees were getting free dentist care etc .Even the sweet old grannies are up in arms at what they see as non Canadians getting better treatment than their grandkids . Its a strange time we are living in and I hope our masters in the liberal party know what they are doing as I can see if one or two terrorist attacks in Canada are found to be done by refugees things are going to go really bad quickly.

I heard someone here steaming because each Syrian gets $100,000 on arrival. I was tempted to ask how many virgins too but thought that would be wasted.

paw339 Feb 15th 2016 10:21 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11868554)
I heard someone here steaming because each Syrian gets $100,000 on arrival. I was tempted to ask how many virgins too but thought that would be wasted.

dbd33 I think you misheard, the $100,000 figure isn't what each family receives themselves, its the average cost to Canadian taxpayers in the first year after you take into account medical, dental, housing, school and other costs.

paw339 Feb 15th 2016 10:23 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by jamesmc (Post 11868546)
Leith..i have noticed the amount of anger in our area (rural small town no major employers) is something to believed ,yes its not very PC but when it was reported in a larger nearish town newspaper that Syrian refugees were getting free dentist care etc .Even the sweet old grannies are up in arms at what they see as non Canadians getting better treatment than their grandkids . Its a strange time we are living in and I hope our masters in the liberal party know what they are doing as I can see if one or two terrorist attacks in Canada are found to be done by refugees things are going to go really bad quickly.


You won't hear about that anger in the press though. Only positive thoughts allowed.

BristolUK Feb 15th 2016 11:03 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11868594)
dbd33 I think you misheard...

Whoosh....

paw339 Feb 15th 2016 11:23 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11868620)
Whoosh....

I didn't miss the sarcasm, I just thought it was funny the $100k figure was about right for the cost (given directly or bills paid direct it doesn't really matter). Now if a figure of $500k had been quoted :-)

Isn't there a saying about a true word spoken in jest?

leith Feb 15th 2016 6:18 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Many Canadians have already got past the teddy bears and balloon waving and, in spite of John McCallum's pathetic bumbling allegations that all is going well, there is a growing resentment about the impact this influx is having. The CBC "moderates" (=deletes) any negative comments but enough manage to get through for long enough to show that there is a substantial diminishing of support and a general disbelief in the warm fuzzy and tear-jerker stories the CBC keeps broadcasting.
In BC, permanent housing has been found for only a third of the thousand plus who have already arrived. Several cities including Calgary and Vancouver have asked that no more be sent until the housing problem can be dealt with. In the meantime,the waiting list of Canadians for social housing in Ottawa is 10,000 and in Calgary is 3,500. BC recently spent $24 million to build The Welcome House, a world class facility for migrants while thousands of the city's homeless sleep on the streets or in parks.
The dental association in Edmonton has asked for federal funding because it is trying to cope with so many severe and chronic problems in almost all the migrants it has received,.
Where I live,sponsorship support has dwindled to the point where groups are trying to pool their funds to get enough to sponsor a small family. Disillusionment among Canadians has set in, not just here, but in other communities where migrants reject housing offers because they want to be near a mosque, where they present a list of demands including a flat screen TV, and where they complain about the quality of the food and accommodation provided.
In my community, a family sponsored by a church a a few years ago brought over an aged granny whose teeth needed expensive care which the church paid for as well as the costs of the family moving to Halifax so that it could be near a mosque.
I think this politically conceived and unplanned venture is going to backfire, not only in this generation but in the next as migrants' children, especially those from large families,find themselves economically disadvantaged. The results of this in many European cities are horrendous. The crime statistics for countries such as Sweden are appalling.
However, I am sure that a few platitudes and selfies with JT will fix everything in Canada.


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