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Old Sep 5th 2019 | 10:13 am
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Of course "dead in a ditch" has a particular meaning in the context of the troubles in Northern Ireland. Hard to know, as always, if the reference was intentional or not.
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 10:32 am
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Of course "dead in a ditch" has a particular meaning in the context of the troubles in Northern Ireland. Hard to know, as always, if the reference was intentional or not.
I doubt very much the two things are remotely connected....
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 11:03 am
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The choice is between being the 28th or 52nd state.
Who are the 51st?
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 11:10 am
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Who are the 51st?
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Old Sep 5th 2019 | 11:23 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
Nah.


This was the news report of the decision Gina Miller case not some nonsensical reflection of what people were thinking and saying after the event. It was what people woke up to. It led to the social media abuse not the other way round.

"The Sun wot won it" (1992) and the knighthood for services in electing Margaret Thatcher for a previous Sun editor are the realities.
The idea that the Sun won the Brexit vote or could do does seem a bit 20th century. Ah yes of course the Daily Mail is the cause of all social media abuse.
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 11:26 am
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I'm not sure why Boris thinks an election is a good idea? I remember May calling an election to show she had a strong and stable government and being completely out campaigned by the Labour Party for the now galvanized youth vote.

Indeed if the tragic Greenfell fire happened two weeks earlier the Conservatives would have fallen completely.

Corbyn is right to wait as he'll be able to peck off the Conservatives soon enough. The sheer arrogance of the Tory far right is audacious.

The next government will be a Labour/Liberal coalition as the Conservative remain voters abandon the party in greater numbers than they pick up from the Brexit Party.

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Old Sep 5th 2019 | 11:37 am
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Originally Posted by dave_j
Once again, I'll suggest that what's happening is being misunderstood by those who should know better.
This push by MPs to adopt yet another delay will only serve to harden the views of those not seen shouting and waving flags outside the Commons. They're rarely heard from except at elections, and especially at referenda, because they're either working to keep body and soul together or not wealthy enough to waste money on frivolous outings.
You're not answering the question. What, if anything, would be the benefit of leaving the EU to a typical Costco shopper?
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by jimf
Ah yes of course the Daily Mail is the cause of all social media abuse.
Who said that?
I gave you an example of the newspaper report influencing rather than reflecting.
There are, of course, many more but this one was relevant to the topic.
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by jimf

The choice is between being the 28th or 52nd state.
Not exactly. In EU Britain is one of top three states and has a primary role in influencing decisions; as one of many US partners Britain will be doing as it is told.
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by jimf

I think that rather overstates the influence of the Express and Telegraph. After the project fear predictions of doom immediately after a leave vote didn’t occur then those forecasts and forecasters simply lost credibility.
They did lose credibility, but they shouldn't have. The BoE pumped massive amounts of liquidity into the system to avert an economic crash, a job well done, but then are castigated for getting forecasts wrong. And of course we haven't actually left yet. It's once we leave that assets start shifting and regulatory mismatch starts undoing established relationships.
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by JamesM
I'm not sure why Boris thinks an election is a good idea? I remember May calling an election to show she had a strong and stable government and being completely out campaigned by the Labour Party for the now galvanized youth vote.

Indeed if the tragic Greenfell fire happened two weeks earlier the Conservatives would have fallen completely.

Corbyn is right to wait as he'll be able to peck off the Conservatives soon enough. The sheer arrogance of the Tory far right is audacious.

The next government will be a Labour/Liberal coalition as the Conservative remain voters abandon the party in greater numbers than they pick up from the Brexit Party.
Given his hard stance on Brexit, he anticipates he can recapture much of the Brexit Party vote, at the same time the Labour vote is currently split by the Lib Dems. The Tories have a 9 point lead the last time I checked. There's also the expectation that by securing a decent majority prior to 31 October he could ensure Brexit gets done. Fortunately, Labour has identified the trap, and all the current parliamentary activity is aimed at averting this outcome.

 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by dbd33
You're not answering the question. What, if anything, would be the benefit of leaving the EU to a typical Costco shopper?
They don't need any benefits- they will have the satisfaction of having "their" Britain back. What greater piece of mind could they have after their manufacturer employer has made them redundant and moved to Bonn, their grocery bill has risen beyond inflation and their council has had their EU funding pulled so the local library and school are now boarded up. Still they will have shown those unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, the remoaners and the world's economic experts so it would have all been worth it.The "Great" will be back in Britain like the good old days of "Rule Britannia" and all that.

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Old Sep 5th 2019 | 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
Given his hard stance on Brexit, he anticipates he can recapture much of the Brexit Party vote, at the same time the Labour vote is currently split by the Lib Dems. The Tories have a 9 point lead the last time I checked. There's also the expectation that by securing a decent majority prior to 31 October he could ensure Brexit gets done. Fortunately, Labour has identified the trap, and all the current parliamentary activity is aimed at averting this outcome.
I just don't see the Brexit vote replacing the deserters. May made the same mistake and also had a large poll lead.

Labour should bide their time though.
 
Old Sep 5th 2019 | 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
Not exactly. In EU Britain is one of top three states and has a primary role in influencing decisions; as one of many US partners Britain will be doing as it is told.
Agree.
 
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