PM Boris
Sep 5th 2019 | 4:59 am
#241
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Re: PM Boris
The EU has stated that the agreement negotiated by May will not be amended. Parliament has rejected that 3 times. An extension was agreed and nothing has changed in either parties' position. The opponent's of the government's position want another extension (to achieve what nobody appears to know) and are refusing to allow an election to be held.
I appreciate that the remainers don't want Brexit to happen but how to they propose to break the impasse?
I appreciate that the remainers don't want Brexit to happen but how to they propose to break the impasse?
Sep 5th 2019 | 5:02 am
#242
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Re: PM Boris
Revocation.
Something puzzles me about this whole business. What, if anything, would be better for the ordinary person in the UK as a consequence of Brexit (any form of Brexit)? I get that some old fellas in the pub would feel a swelling in their national pride and that the Romanian workers in the UK would be replaced by Chinese workers but what tangible thing is the trade for loss of income, loss of healthcare, loss of some ability to travel and being personally a figure of fun in the rest of the world?
Something puzzles me about this whole business. What, if anything, would be better for the ordinary person in the UK as a consequence of Brexit (any form of Brexit)? I get that some old fellas in the pub would feel a swelling in their national pride and that the Romanian workers in the UK would be replaced by Chinese workers but what tangible thing is the trade for loss of income, loss of healthcare, loss of some ability to travel and being personally a figure of fun in the rest of the world?
Sep 5th 2019 | 5:11 am
#244
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Re: PM Boris
I don't believe that there will be any significant loss of the ability to travel but if I was a plumber and I had lost my job, or my income had reduced, as a result of someone from another country undercutting me as they were prepared to live in a vehicle and send money back to their family where the cost of living was cheaper, I could see how I could be persuaded to vote to leave.
I don't believe the sovereignty issue is a major factor for most people as, in my experience, most people don't fully understand how the EU works. I also don't believe the doomsdayer's version of life in the UK post Brexit. The UK was OK pre-1992 and it will be OK post Brexit too.
I don't believe the sovereignty issue is a major factor for most people as, in my experience, most people don't fully understand how the EU works. I also don't believe the doomsdayer's version of life in the UK post Brexit. The UK was OK pre-1992 and it will be OK post Brexit too.
As for pre-1992, practically 30 years ago, technology has advanced tremendously and allowed cross border supply chains and commercial integration. It's a fallacious point.
Sep 5th 2019 | 6:42 am
#246
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Re: PM Boris
Seems Bojo was asked today if he would delay Brexit. He responded by stating "I would rather die in a ditch than delay Brexit".
Irrespective as to how the ending of the HoC pantomime materializes, that will be one of those 'who said it' questions to for decades to come....love him or hate him, seldom boring....
Irrespective as to how the ending of the HoC pantomime materializes, that will be one of those 'who said it' questions to for decades to come....love him or hate him, seldom boring....
Sep 5th 2019 | 6:58 am
#247
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Re: PM Boris
Seems Bojo was asked today if he would delay Brexit. He responded by stating "I would rather die in a ditch than delay Brexit".
Irrespective as to how the ending of the HoC pantomime materializes, that will be one of those 'who said it' questions to for decades to come....love him or hate him, seldom boring....
Irrespective as to how the ending of the HoC pantomime materializes, that will be one of those 'who said it' questions to for decades to come....love him or hate him, seldom boring....
Sep 5th 2019 | 7:07 am
#248
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Re: PM Boris
Levity seems Paramount in the script of this ongoing pantomime......
Sep 5th 2019 | 7:52 am
#249
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Re: PM Boris
This push by MPs to adopt yet another delay will only serve to harden the views of those not seen shouting and waving flags outside the Commons. They're rarely heard from except at elections, and especially at referenda, because they're either working to keep body and soul together or not wealthy enough to waste money on frivolous outings.
Sep 5th 2019 | 8:09 am
#250
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Re: PM Boris
Once again, I'll suggest that what's happening is being misunderstood by those who should know better.
This push by MPs to adopt yet another delay will only serve to harden the views of those not seen shouting and waving flags outside the Commons. They're rarely heard from except at elections, and especially at referenda, because they're either working to keep body and soul together or not wealthy enough to waste money on frivolous outings.
This push by MPs to adopt yet another delay will only serve to harden the views of those not seen shouting and waving flags outside the Commons. They're rarely heard from except at elections, and especially at referenda, because they're either working to keep body and soul together or not wealthy enough to waste money on frivolous outings.
Sep 5th 2019 | 8:22 am
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Re: PM Boris
I think that rather overstates the influence of the Express and Telegraph. After the project fear predictions of doom immediately after a leave vote didn’t occur then those forecasts and forecasters simply lost credibility.
Sep 5th 2019 | 8:29 am
#252
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Re: PM Boris
That's a bit like saying advertising doesn't work. They do it because it does. That's why people called the judges and Gina Miller traitors, because it was all over the Mail.
After the project fear predictions of doom immediately after a leave vote didn’t occur then those forecasts and forecasters simply lost credibility.
If those making forecasts of something that may happen given a particular event and that event has yet to occur have lost credibility, then it's the credibility of other people that should be questioned.
Sep 5th 2019 | 8:33 am
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Re: PM Boris
That may be so, that the dyed in the wool Leavers will only redouble their view on leaving, but they only have one vote. What's also happening is younger voters are registering to vote, and waverers are looking at the ugly politics of BoJo and thinking that if a benign No Deal turns out to be a lie, perhaps the whole Brexit idea needs questioning. It's literally only now (thanks Theresa) that the public is ready to start debating the true ramifications of Brexit. Don't believe the biased right wing press that the country us behind this buffoon, in fact, he's turning out to be quite a gift to the remain side.
Sep 5th 2019 | 8:50 am
#254
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Re: PM Boris
That's a bit like saying advertising doesn't work. They do it because it does. That's why people called the judges and Gina Miller traitors, because it was all over the Mail.
How can expressed fears of the result of Brexit - particularly the no-deal version - become reality when we've not even left yet?
If those making forecasts of something that may happen given a particular event and that event has yet to occur have lost credibility, then it's the credibility of other people that should be questioned.
How can expressed fears of the result of Brexit - particularly the no-deal version - become reality when we've not even left yet?
If those making forecasts of something that may happen given a particular event and that event has yet to occur have lost credibility, then it's the credibility of other people that should be questioned.
There was no emergency budget needed the day after the vote. Are present forecasts likely to be any better? Perhaps Toyota should get to decide what happens...
Sep 5th 2019 | 9:47 am
#255
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Re: PM Boris
Nah.
This was the news report of the decision Gina Miller case not some nonsensical reflection of what people were thinking and saying after the event. It was what people woke up to. It led to the social media abuse not the other way round.
"The Sun wot won it" (1992) and the knighthood for services in electing Margaret Thatcher for a previous Sun editor are the realities.
This was the news report of the decision Gina Miller case not some nonsensical reflection of what people were thinking and saying after the event. It was what people woke up to. It led to the social media abuse not the other way round.
"The Sun wot won it" (1992) and the knighthood for services in electing Margaret Thatcher for a previous Sun editor are the realities.
