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Old Sep 2nd 2019, 6:50 am
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Originally Posted by jimf View Post
When presented with the choice 544 to 53 MPs expressed a wish for the referendum to take place.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-33067157
Good find !

It's ironic that the SNP were against the referendum at the time, but now, given the chaos that has ensued, are better able to pursue their own objective of Scottish independence.

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Old Sep 2nd 2019, 7:00 am
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Yes but at that point in time, there was very little or no talk at all about exiting the EU but not having some form of trading agreement with the EU. No deal as a concept didn't really come a long until wll after the negotiations on the agreement had started.
It shows how misguided the whole sorry adventure has been. The ideas of leaving the CU and even the SM were around in the minds of Eurosceptics well before the referendum. These were not articulated as they are less palatable than having one's cake and eating it too.
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Old Sep 2nd 2019, 7:13 pm
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Old Sep 2nd 2019, 7:35 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK View Post
He could be saying:

Good morning citizens,
Let's see how many snowflakes have tantrums today.....

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Old Sep 2nd 2019, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by macadian View Post
He could be saying: Good morning citizens,
Let's see how many snowflakes have tantrums today.....
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We've witnessed invective and protestations about the Johnson stance, but I think that a great many of those involved simply don't understand the mindset of those who'll be voting at the upcoming election and live in a different UK to those who'll matter.
Whatever arguments are put, there will be a general belief that the referendum result has been betrayed and whilst some will have changed their minds, a great many others just want it over and done with and view the EU as a parasite feeding off the UK.
Thatcher became a hated woman in some circles but she was admired for arguing her case and appearing strong. Boris is in the throws of casting aside his clown image and adopting a Churchillian stance against the hated EU Commission.
Don't underestimate this pro brexit theme, and don't expect lifetime labour supporters to vote labour.
Boris might be an upper class twit, but I think he's one with his finger on the pulse of the nation.
This election won't be fought on party lines.


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Old Sep 2nd 2019, 8:44 pm
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We've witnessed invective and protestations about the Johnson stance, but I think that a great many of those involved simply don't understand the mindset of those who'll be voting at the upcoming election and live in a different UK to those who'll matter.
Whatever arguments are put, there will be a general belief that the referendum result has been betrayed and whilst some will have changed their minds, a great many others just want it over and done with and view the EU as a parasite feeding off the UK.
Thatcher became a hated woman in some circles but she was admired for arguing her case and appearing strong. Boris is in the throws of casting aside his clown image and adopting a Churchillian stance against the hated EU Commission.
Don't underestimate this pro brexit theme, and don't expect lifetime labour supporters to vote labour.
Boris might be an upper class twit, but I think he's one with his finger on the pulse of the nation.
This election won't be fought on party lines.
i tend to agree....the population and the result of the referendum have been betrayed by the self interest of politicians of all parties in the house.....which may ultimately swing things the way of Boris. As for me...go for it Boris!
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Old Sep 3rd 2019, 1:39 pm
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As for me...go for it Boris!
Mr. Johnson seems somewhat hampered by the fact that even Conservative MPs are unwilling to believe a word he says; they don't trust him not to agree to an election date and then switch it. Plastering lies on the side of busses and mendacious kipper waving will do that for you. WTF has happened to Conservatives? Once the basically honourable purveyours of economically sound, socially cruel, policies, they now offer spivs the like Johnson and Trump who will wreck their economies and still piss on the poor. The only solace is that Johnson, at least, seems set to destroy his party,
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Old Sep 3rd 2019, 1:53 pm
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Mr. Johnson seems somewhat hampered by the fact that even Conservative MPs are unwilling to believe a word he says; they don't trust him not to agree to an election date and then switch it. Plastering lies on the side of busses and mendacious kipper waving will do that for you. WTF has happened to Conservatives? Once the basically honourable purveyours of economically sound, socially cruel, policies, they now offer spivs the like Johnson and Trump who will wreck their economies and still piss on the poor. The only solace is that Johnson, at least, seems set to destroy his party,
Hammond, Gauke and Grieve are behaving honourably. Johnson and his entire cabinet are the lunatics running the asylum. I am dumfounded so many are taken in by BoJo the clown.
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Hammond, Gauke and Grieve are behaving honourably. Johnson and his entire cabinet are the lunatics running the asylum. I am dumfounded so many are taken in by BoJo the clown.
Yes. I do wonder if Cummings is as influential as he's potrayed in the press or if he's Johnson's sacrifical lamb; it may have been a cracking wheeze to hire a badly dressed man, mean of spirit, so as to have someone to blame and dump.
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So with the threat (or opportunity) of a new election now looming high following fresh defection from the Conservative party what could it mean for BoJo and most specifically Brexit?
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So with the threat (or opportunity) of a new election now looming high following fresh defection from the Conservative party what could it mean for BoJo and most specifically Brexit?
A splintered Parliament with no single party, nor coalition of two parties, having a workable majority, something like one sees under proportional representation. We might call it the European model.
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Old Sep 3rd 2019, 8:15 pm
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A splintered Parliament with no single party, nor coalition of two parties, having a workable majority, something like one sees under proportional representation. We might call it the European model.
That would be fabulously ironic, wouldn't it. I've always advocated such and vote accordingly.
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Old Sep 5th 2019, 1:58 pm
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Oh my.....given the pantomime that has been playing out in the HoC for the past few years, I thought a little levity might not go amiss.....

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Old Sep 5th 2019, 2:02 pm
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He's avoiding BoJo's trap. Not rocket science.
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He's avoiding BoJo's trap. Not rocket science.
All part of the pantomime eh....
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