London Riots
Aug 12th 2011, 3:24 pm
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Re: London Riots
Tell me, oh wise one, what legal authority would you have used to achieve this? When would you have done this? I am sure that you are aware the RIM have opposed such tactics in other jurisdictions in the past.
Do you honestly believe that Cameron was incapable of providing instructions via phone? Do you honestly believe that seeing any policitian actually on the street would have prevented the mob continuing with its actions? Do you believe that Cameron would have had a greater impact than King Canute did?
The benefit of hindsight. What do you mean by tougher? Hit them on the head with a baton, push them over, shoot them? One wonders what armchair experts like you would be saying now if they did.
I don't doubt for a minute that he is doing so. But, once again, what would you have done to resolve the financial crisis? Please be as specific as possible.
What is hard punishment? Are you arguing that only middle aged and old people should go to jail? If the troublemakers are not to be sent to jail (assuming they are convicted) what would you do with them?
Smacks of this to me:
Do you honestly believe that Cameron was incapable of providing instructions via phone? Do you honestly believe that seeing any policitian actually on the street would have prevented the mob continuing with its actions? Do you believe that Cameron would have had a greater impact than King Canute did?
The benefit of hindsight. What do you mean by tougher? Hit them on the head with a baton, push them over, shoot them? One wonders what armchair experts like you would be saying now if they did.
I don't doubt for a minute that he is doing so. But, once again, what would you have done to resolve the financial crisis? Please be as specific as possible.
What is hard punishment? Are you arguing that only middle aged and old people should go to jail? If the troublemakers are not to be sent to jail (assuming they are convicted) what would you do with them?
Smacks of this to me:
Cuts needed to be made, but not so soon, and not so dramatic in terms of social services and the public sector. This is ideological and is all about Mr.C's Big Society. I'm no politician or economist but I can imagine that a fairer tax system and multiple years of huge windfalls from the banks to subsidize the retention of these basic programs, combined with a longer term more even spread of cuts across departments i.e less dramatic would seem a better alternative to me.
Aug 12th 2011, 5:55 pm
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Re: London Riots
From Raedwald's Blog http://raedwald.blogspot.com/
"Friday, 12 August 2011
A new style of Parliamentary reporting
Following the post below, I propose a new version of 'Hansard' to report on MPs' debates on the looting and criminality of the lower orders. It would go something like this;
Gerald Kaufman (£43,564 expenses including 4 grapefruit bowls at £540) I condemn the naked greed of these criminals and their taking advantage of their pampered and privileged opportunities ..
David Wilshire (£160,532 expenses including £100k on a flat 15 miles from main home) My honourable friend has hit the nail on the head. This is not about ideology, it's sheer naked greed
John Healey (£84,562 expenses including £6,194 for renovating his kitchen) We should understand a little less and condemn a little more, Mr Speaker; only tough action against these feral youths will ...
Speaker (£146,780 expenses) Order! Order! Members must set an example to young people!
Somehow I don't think they'll go for it.
Repulsive Hazel Blears dribbles ignorance
The repulsive expenses thief Hazel Blears - you may recall she made £80,000 through tax avoidance in 'flipping' homes, charged the taxpayer for an £850 television, a £650 mattress, a second television within a year for £913, £200 for bath towels, £668 on bed linen, £439 on crockery and thousands upon thousands in mortgage payments, and who also charged us a full £400 a month for her food - has dribbled her ignorance in asking on Sky news why the rioting kids were not in school.
Blears is still clearly too busy carrying out her own looting of the public purse for her foul and deeply stupid person to stand upon the same earth as the rest of us. "
"Friday, 12 August 2011
A new style of Parliamentary reporting
Following the post below, I propose a new version of 'Hansard' to report on MPs' debates on the looting and criminality of the lower orders. It would go something like this;
Gerald Kaufman (£43,564 expenses including 4 grapefruit bowls at £540) I condemn the naked greed of these criminals and their taking advantage of their pampered and privileged opportunities ..
David Wilshire (£160,532 expenses including £100k on a flat 15 miles from main home) My honourable friend has hit the nail on the head. This is not about ideology, it's sheer naked greed
John Healey (£84,562 expenses including £6,194 for renovating his kitchen) We should understand a little less and condemn a little more, Mr Speaker; only tough action against these feral youths will ...
Speaker (£146,780 expenses) Order! Order! Members must set an example to young people!
Somehow I don't think they'll go for it.
Repulsive Hazel Blears dribbles ignorance
The repulsive expenses thief Hazel Blears - you may recall she made £80,000 through tax avoidance in 'flipping' homes, charged the taxpayer for an £850 television, a £650 mattress, a second television within a year for £913, £200 for bath towels, £668 on bed linen, £439 on crockery and thousands upon thousands in mortgage payments, and who also charged us a full £400 a month for her food - has dribbled her ignorance in asking on Sky news why the rioting kids were not in school.
Blears is still clearly too busy carrying out her own looting of the public purse for her foul and deeply stupid person to stand upon the same earth as the rest of us. "
Aug 12th 2011, 6:22 pm
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Re: London Riots
I have to say that Peter Oborne's opinion on the week's events pretty much sum up my own feelings. The rot starts at the top.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/pe...as-the-bottom/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/pe...as-the-bottom/
Aug 12th 2011, 6:41 pm
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Re: London Riots
From Raedwald's Blog http://raedwald.blogspot.com/
"Friday, 12 August 2011
A new style of Parliamentary reporting
Following the post below, I propose a new version of 'Hansard' to report on MPs' debates on the looting and criminality of the lower orders. It would go something like this;
Gerald Kaufman (£43,564 expenses including 4 grapefruit bowls at £540) I condemn the naked greed of these criminals and their taking advantage of their pampered and privileged opportunities ..
David Wilshire (£160,532 expenses including £100k on a flat 15 miles from main home) My honourable friend has hit the nail on the head. This is not about ideology, it's sheer naked greed
John Healey (£84,562 expenses including £6,194 for renovating his kitchen) We should understand a little less and condemn a little more, Mr Speaker; only tough action against these feral youths will ...
Speaker (£146,780 expenses) Order! Order! Members must set an example to young people!
Somehow I don't think they'll go for it.
Repulsive Hazel Blears dribbles ignorance
The repulsive expenses thief Hazel Blears - you may recall she made £80,000 through tax avoidance in 'flipping' homes, charged the taxpayer for an £850 television, a £650 mattress, a second television within a year for £913, £200 for bath towels, £668 on bed linen, £439 on crockery and thousands upon thousands in mortgage payments, and who also charged us a full £400 a month for her food - has dribbled her ignorance in asking on Sky news why the rioting kids were not in school.
Blears is still clearly too busy carrying out her own looting of the public purse for her foul and deeply stupid person to stand upon the same earth as the rest of us. "
"Friday, 12 August 2011
A new style of Parliamentary reporting
Following the post below, I propose a new version of 'Hansard' to report on MPs' debates on the looting and criminality of the lower orders. It would go something like this;
Gerald Kaufman (£43,564 expenses including 4 grapefruit bowls at £540) I condemn the naked greed of these criminals and their taking advantage of their pampered and privileged opportunities ..
David Wilshire (£160,532 expenses including £100k on a flat 15 miles from main home) My honourable friend has hit the nail on the head. This is not about ideology, it's sheer naked greed
John Healey (£84,562 expenses including £6,194 for renovating his kitchen) We should understand a little less and condemn a little more, Mr Speaker; only tough action against these feral youths will ...
Speaker (£146,780 expenses) Order! Order! Members must set an example to young people!
Somehow I don't think they'll go for it.
Repulsive Hazel Blears dribbles ignorance
The repulsive expenses thief Hazel Blears - you may recall she made £80,000 through tax avoidance in 'flipping' homes, charged the taxpayer for an £850 television, a £650 mattress, a second television within a year for £913, £200 for bath towels, £668 on bed linen, £439 on crockery and thousands upon thousands in mortgage payments, and who also charged us a full £400 a month for her food - has dribbled her ignorance in asking on Sky news why the rioting kids were not in school.
Blears is still clearly too busy carrying out her own looting of the public purse for her foul and deeply stupid person to stand upon the same earth as the rest of us. "
Aug 12th 2011, 6:54 pm
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Re: London Riots
From Raedwald's Blog http://raedwald.blogspot.com/
"Friday, 12 August 2011
A new style of Parliamentary reporting
Following the post below, I propose a new version of 'Hansard' to report on MPs' debates on the looting and criminality of the lower orders. It would go something like this;
Gerald Kaufman (£43,564 expenses including 4 grapefruit bowls at £540) I condemn the naked greed of these criminals and their taking advantage of their pampered and privileged opportunities ..
David Wilshire (£160,532 expenses including £100k on a flat 15 miles from main home) My honourable friend has hit the nail on the head. This is not about ideology, it's sheer naked greed
John Healey (£84,562 expenses including £6,194 for renovating his kitchen) We should understand a little less and condemn a little more, Mr Speaker; only tough action against these feral youths will ...
Speaker (£146,780 expenses) Order! Order! Members must set an example to young people!
Somehow I don't think they'll go for it.
Repulsive Hazel Blears dribbles ignorance
The repulsive expenses thief Hazel Blears - you may recall she made £80,000 through tax avoidance in 'flipping' homes, charged the taxpayer for an £850 television, a £650 mattress, a second television within a year for £913, £200 for bath towels, £668 on bed linen, £439 on crockery and thousands upon thousands in mortgage payments, and who also charged us a full £400 a month for her food - has dribbled her ignorance in asking on Sky news why the rioting kids were not in school.
Blears is still clearly too busy carrying out her own looting of the public purse for her foul and deeply stupid person to stand upon the same earth as the rest of us. "
"Friday, 12 August 2011
A new style of Parliamentary reporting
Following the post below, I propose a new version of 'Hansard' to report on MPs' debates on the looting and criminality of the lower orders. It would go something like this;
Gerald Kaufman (£43,564 expenses including 4 grapefruit bowls at £540) I condemn the naked greed of these criminals and their taking advantage of their pampered and privileged opportunities ..
David Wilshire (£160,532 expenses including £100k on a flat 15 miles from main home) My honourable friend has hit the nail on the head. This is not about ideology, it's sheer naked greed
John Healey (£84,562 expenses including £6,194 for renovating his kitchen) We should understand a little less and condemn a little more, Mr Speaker; only tough action against these feral youths will ...
Speaker (£146,780 expenses) Order! Order! Members must set an example to young people!
Somehow I don't think they'll go for it.
Repulsive Hazel Blears dribbles ignorance
The repulsive expenses thief Hazel Blears - you may recall she made £80,000 through tax avoidance in 'flipping' homes, charged the taxpayer for an £850 television, a £650 mattress, a second television within a year for £913, £200 for bath towels, £668 on bed linen, £439 on crockery and thousands upon thousands in mortgage payments, and who also charged us a full £400 a month for her food - has dribbled her ignorance in asking on Sky news why the rioting kids were not in school.
Blears is still clearly too busy carrying out her own looting of the public purse for her foul and deeply stupid person to stand upon the same earth as the rest of us. "
Aug 12th 2011, 6:58 pm
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Re: London Riots
Well, perhaps one could point out that there were no riots in Scotland, nor in Wales. The governments of those countries could generally be described as being more left-wing and with a (small s) socialist agenda, certainly when compared to David Cameron's Westminster government.
When one looks at the sheer numbers of "haves" in England, especially in London and the South East, I do believe there are genuine concerns about the impact they have on national politics - the views of the "have-nots" always seem to take second place.
Ah well, come the revolution...
When one looks at the sheer numbers of "haves" in England, especially in London and the South East, I do believe there are genuine concerns about the impact they have on national politics - the views of the "have-nots" always seem to take second place.
Ah well, come the revolution...
Aug 12th 2011, 7:04 pm
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I do, however, appreciate the point you are making although, it works the other way too. Commit a crime (say, assault) with long previous and compare the sentence that will be given to one for the identical crime to an accountant
Aug 12th 2011, 7:33 pm
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Aug 12th 2011, 7:43 pm
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Re: London Riots
Here you go...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news...day.6817234.jp
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news...day.6817234.jp
Anyway, I will such the f*&k up from now on
Aug 12th 2011, 7:49 pm
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Six months in these cases. I'm suprised how severe the sentence is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-Argos.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-Argos.html
Aug 12th 2011, 8:54 pm
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Re: London Riots
Six months in these cases. I'm suprised how severe the sentence is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-Argos.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-Argos.html
Aug 12th 2011, 11:09 pm
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So it was the IPCC not the police for any misinformation........
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ipcc-may-mi...150436315.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ipcc-may-mi...150436315.html
Aug 12th 2011, 11:35 pm
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Re: London Riots
So it was the IPCC not the police for any misinformation........
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ipcc-may-mi...150436315.html
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ipcc-may-mi...150436315.html
"... it seems possible that we may have verbally led journalists to believe that shots were exchanged"
Hmmm. How about this:
"Bless me Father, for I have studied the evidence, and my analysis suggests that there is a possibility that I may have inadvertently misled God into believing that I was not to blame..."
Aug 13th 2011, 9:37 am
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Re: London Riots
There was a fair amount of talk a few days back about possibly getting the army out on the streets? I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure this isn't what they had in mind.
Aug 13th 2011, 2:22 pm
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Re: London Riots
As much as i understand everyones anger and frustration, is this really the way forward? I think moving in this direction, may only lead to more problems. I think this will only lead to more troublemakers on the streets and increased crime.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429
Last edited by KerinaK2008; Aug 13th 2011 at 2:26 pm.