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Paul_Shepherd Apr 21st 2014 2:18 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11228541)
Crap. On that basis, who votes for anything?

You don't do diplomacy do you? lol

Why is it crap? The voter turn out in the UK for anything is getting less and less.

jimf Apr 21st 2014 2:48 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 11228538)
Hmm...that's such a shame, in all honesty, this is what I think will happen.

I feel a good percentage of the Scottish people are not interested in voting for independence, and so I think there will be low turn out for the referendum vote, because of this the yes vote may well swing it, and Scotland will be independent and no one actually voted for it!

The polls certainly show that it's a lot closer now - apparently that pattern is typical of these types of referendums. It's also the case that generally "don't knows" tend to stick with the status quo when it comes to the actual vote.

I would expect the turnout will be high enough that the outcome is accepted by all whatever the result. I think the turnout was 75% for the devolution referendum in 1998.

Out of curiosity I did look at the Better Together website the other day to see how contributing would work but I see only UK residents can do so. I've never looked at doing anything like that before but after reading that the lottery winners in Ayrshire had put 3m GBP into the independence campaign I wondered what the system was.

Paul_Shepherd Apr 21st 2014 3:06 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11228559)
The polls certainly show that it's a lot closer now - apparently that pattern is typical of these types of referendums. It's also the case that generally "don't knows" tend to stick with the status quo when it comes to the actual vote.

I would expect the turnout will be high enough that the outcome is accepted by all whatever the result. I think the turnout was 75% for the devolution referendum in 1998.

Out of curiosity I did look at the Better Together website the other day to see how contributing would work but I see only UK residents can do so. I've never looked at doing anything like that before but after reading that the lottery winners in Ayrshire had put 3m GBP into the independence campaign I wondered what the system was.

I dont suppose anyone will know until the actual vote, opinion polls vary so much and often don't reflect the end result. I didn't realise the turn out for the devolution referendum was as high as that, but that was back in 1997. We shall see I suppose, as I said I just think it will be very sad if its a yes.

On a side note, I know the turn out for the referendum for Welsh devolution was a lot lower, only half the population i think. Half of my family are from Wales and I don't think any of them voted, it ended up being VERY close if I remember correctly it was only something like 50.2% for devolution, a gnats whisker!

neilcumming Apr 22nd 2014 2:32 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 
What I hear from family and friends back in Scotland there is a big interest in the referendum and I agree with jmf i think there will be a big turnout similiar to the 1998 devo vote.

jimf Apr 22nd 2014 5:03 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by neilcumming (Post 11230069)
What I hear from family and friends back in Scotland there is a big interest in the referendum and I agree with jmf i think there will be a big turnout similiar to the 1998 devo vote.

The turnout in 1998 was actually 60% with a 75% yes vote. Well under 50% of the electorate voted yes.

Good luck with that Alex........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-friends.html

scot47 Apr 22nd 2014 9:51 pm

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 
"If the Scots go". We have no plans to go anywhere. We sill stay at the same geographical coordinates. Debate is about how we should be governed !

Former Lancastrian Apr 23rd 2014 1:45 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 11230431)
"If the Scots go". We have no plans to go anywhere. We sill stay at the same geographical coordinates. Debate is about how we should be governed !

Debate could also be Can you be governed :lol:

Paul_Shepherd Apr 23rd 2014 10:02 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11230160)
The turnout in 1998 was actually 60% with a 75% yes vote. Well under 50% of the electorate voted yes.

Good luck with that Alex........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-friends.html

Interesting.... I think that proves the point I was trying to make before...if the independence voter turn out is anything like the referendum voter turn out...then Scotland will become independent with less than half the population actually voting for it! That will make the whole thing so much more sad. :(

As for ole clueless Salmond making the we can still be friends speech.....he drives a stake through the heart of Britain tears it apart then says we can still be friends? Nothing good can come from this break up.

neilcumming Apr 24th 2014 3:12 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 11231600)
Interesting.... I think that proves the point I was trying to make before...if the independence voter turn out is anything like the referendum voter turn out...then Scotland will become independent with less than half the population actually voting for it! That will make the whole thing so much more sad. :(

As for ole clueless Salmond making the we can still be friends speech.....he drives a stake through the heart of Britain tears it apart then says we can still be friends? Nothing good can come from this break up.

I disagree with you.I think if Scotland becomes independent ,common sense will prevail(remember that?) and the rUK will work with the new Scotland.I know it sounds outragous but I believe Scotland will "kick-on" and the rUK will look to Scotlands policies and say"if the scots can do it,why cant we?" Pretty much what people are saying now!;)

jimf Apr 24th 2014 3:31 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by neilcumming (Post 11232582)
I disagree with you.I think if Scotland becomes independent ,common sense will prevail(remember that?) and the rUK will work with the new Scotland.I know it sounds outragous but I believe Scotland will "kick-on" and the rUK will look to Scotlands policies and say"if the scots can do it,why cant we?" Pretty much what people are saying now!;)

Obviously if Scotland becomes independent the RUK government would have normalized government relations with a Scotland government just like the government of any other foreign country. I would certainly expect that any RUK government spending in would Scotland cease promptly eg UK HMRC in East Kilbride and UK shipbuilding in Glasgow. England is very much more outward looking than Scotland and what happens in Scotland would be of passing interest but RUK would no more look to Scotland than it would to Belgium or Lithuania.

Paul_Shepherd Apr 24th 2014 4:14 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 11232615)
Obviously if Scotland becomes independent the RUK government would have normalized government relations with a Scotland government just like the government of any other foreign country. I would certainly expect that any RUK government spending in would Scotland cease promptly eg UK HMRC in East Kilbride and UK shipbuilding in Glasgow. England is very much more outward looking than Scotland and what happens in Scotland would be of passing interest but RUK would no more look to Scotland than it would to Belgium or Lithuania.

I totally agree, an independent Scotland would become just another foreign country to the RUK, and be treated accordingly.

Donnykins Apr 24th 2014 4:28 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 
Not really. Let 'em go independent if that's what they want. That way, England won't have to foot the bill for their free prescriptions for all, free school meals for all etc etc...the list of inequalities goes on and on. Also, if English-folk cannot stand in Scottish parliament, it is only fair that the Scots get their butts out of ours. Furthermore, why can't the English vote on this? It affects the English too! Just saying. ;)

neilcumming Apr 24th 2014 5:06 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Donnykins (Post 11232722)
Not really. Let 'em go independent if that's what they want. That way, England won't have to foot the bill for their free prescriptions for all, free school meals for all etc etc...the list of inequalities goes on and on. Also, if English-folk cannot stand in Scottish parliament, it is only fair that the Scots get their butts out of ours. Furthermore, why can't the English vote on this? It affects the English too! Just saying. ;)

Lol,the UK parliament gives the scottish government a budget every year for expenditure (not welfare) and they use the money ,I would say more wisely so they can have these free things,you forgot to mention the biggie,free uni(scottish people do pay taxes).If you are not receiving these free services why not ask your MP why your not receiving them.Of course there wont be scottish MPs in the London parliament ,Scotland will be an independent country.If you had a UK vote ,how would you work it out,say if Scotland voted YES and rest of UK voted NO or vice a versa?

andrewjohn Apr 24th 2014 7:46 am

Re: if the scots go, do you care?
 

Originally Posted by Donnykins (Post 11232722)
Not really. Let 'em go independent if that's what they want. That way, England won't have to foot the bill for their free prescriptions for all, free school meals for all etc etc...the list of inequalities goes on and on. Also, if English-folk cannot stand in Scottish parliament, it is only fair that the Scots get their butts out of ours. Furthermore, why can't the English vote on this? It affects the English too! Just saying. ;)

Why can't the Swiss vote ? Or the French or the Dutch ?

Sure it shall affect them also (for the better)

andrewjohn Apr 24th 2014 7:46 am

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...nce.1398361770

Pushed I would say.... E.B.C


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