Unfortunately we will never know any of the 12 people's viewpoints now as they is all dead !

This alone is an excellent suggestion and starting point. But what do we do, we encourage the opening of muslim faith schools, and in some of those schools, atrocious anti-Western indoctrination happens.

Will do, thanks for the heads up.

But surely after serving his time the man has to work. Why can't he work in the profession he is good at?

He has surely paid his price with his sentence?

Interesting view, perhaps it has some weight. Thanks for this, never thought of that. Again thanks.

Mag look at figero newspaper , the Islamic satire was all over page one. I think we do know how they thought. Well not the police of course....

So neither particularly concerns you at this point so therefore Tiry Tory and Zoe are right in that the problem is not actually that big in the day to day lives of most normal people.

Right.

It's 5.20

I'm off to Hooters for a sensible debate on fundamentalism.

The argument is that it sends out the wrong signals, especially to kids. As a public figure, especially a footballer, he gets great rewards and status, with that comes great responsibility. Being accused of rape, and worse, being convicted as a rapist means that he has not behaved responsibly. So I think there is logic in him being banned from the sport. He can still work, there are other professions. That argument makes sense to me.

Where I am willing to give him some slack is the grey area of whether he did in fact commit rape. Assuming, as he insists, he didn't, it would be very wrong to further punish him after he has served some time in prison. So on that basis I would reluctantly permit him to play.

It's "Shard logic" I'm afraid .

Hooters is Western fundamentalism!

Er no. I don't think you understand.

Well said. Actually the terror for many of these countries started decades ago and, in my opinion, only tolerance and the understanding that not all cultures and beliefs are the same will be the only way forward.
Is sending in drones not a 'terrorist' act, not all terrorists are muslims. Christianity hasn't exactly got the best record for tolerance in the past.

Obama Has Killed More People with Drones than Died On 9/11 : Information Clearing House - ICH

If you have followed this I'm sure you've seen he hasn't served his sentence yet. He's out on licence. That usually comes with some restrictions rather than just getting on with things.

You must also have seen how the website in support of him (that until now) had his full backing and has revealed enough about the victim for her to have been identified, shamed and need to change identity and home several times with each 'outing' of her by those supporting him.

Finally, now, he has expressed some regret over this so maybe the stance people are taking will soften a bit.

All legal technicalities aside, when you read the specific details of the night's events, I can understand that people want nothing to do with him and don't want him playing for the team they cheer for.

Not at this point in time right now today 6:00pm

Try to understand tho that terrorists strike at any time anywhere! Like London buses or World Trade Centre, I would rather not see any more random or organised murders of people to whome are just going about there bossiness, please.

How do u know that Hooters is not the next target ? You don't and neither does anyone else. The "it won't happen to me" attitude is what these people use as a element of surprise