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Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by Yorkiechef
I know this is contraversal, it is thought provoking and is not meant to be insulting.

If you can't keep up TT, let folks know what you are having for lunch and post it, thanks.
Ha ha can't keep up with you- that is funny.

I find it pointless arguing with people such as yourselves...you will never change your mind because of the type of person who would think such a thing in the first place. You are unable to see the bigger picture.. That's why I'm not going to engage but it's definitely not because of any perceived superior intelligence on your part.
 
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Originally Posted by Tirytory
Genuinely this is not the world's biggest problem.
number of deaths from Malaria in 2014 - 584 000 (according to WHO)

number of deaths from terrorism in 2014 - 16000 (ish) worldwide according to this (Fivefold increase in terrorism fatalities since 9/11, says report | UK news | The Guardian)
 
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
Any Islam sympathy lefties here want to try to defend this ???

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I'll be your strawman if you like.

So, what sort of defence are you looking for? Would you prefer a debate around "not all Muslims" or "that's terrible, but understandable because..."?
 
Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
We do not live in "Saudi" so what does it matter what they do, or do not permit?
So you don't see a problem with people with such extreme views taking the occasional Pop now and then, a dozen here, a few thousand there, I don't believe in your laws, your beliefs? Because, this will be the pattern for decades until one side or the other finally choose to end the problem, bit like what is currently happening in the internal battle within Islam. I chose Saudi because it was an example of a country that does not offer any acceptance of any other belief, to do so is blasphemy and results in death. You clearly are of the view that it is of no consequence and we should ignore all these incidents and it won't happen to me.
 
Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:18 am
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Originally Posted by Tirytory
Ha ha can't keep up with you- that is funny.

I find it pointless arguing with people such as yourselves...you will never change your mind because of the type of person who would think such a thing in the first place. You are unable to see the bigger picture.. That's why I'm not going to engage but it's definitely not because of any perceived superior intelligence on your part.
Ok, ta.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I'll be your strawman if you like.

So, what sort of defence are you looking for? Would you prefer a debate around "not all Muslims" or "that's terrible, but understandable because..."?
I think the "not all Muslims" exscuse is over used now, maybe try to explain how this action is perfectly understandable in the circumstances
 
Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by Yorkiechef
I stated I wouldn't return to the Paris attack thread.

So what can we do about the pickle we find ourselves in?

I have some views that I could share immediately, but I'll leave this with you for starters, the WEST makes our countries very attractive to folk from the Middle East and North Africa, why don't we make it less attractive so that they stop coming? How could we do that......
greed, money & power ... it filters down

Who owns most all of the property in the UK?

Starters, legislation to ban halal meat, all animals to be slaughtered with the least stress on the animal, no face veils, stop building mosques, no Islamic schools, no Islamic laws..... Oh, it doesnt suit you? You need these things? Find another country to live in, this is our country and its not changing anymore.

Anymore anybody? Or do we wait for the blood bath?
Its a give & take me thinks, Western European countries & North American need (depend) on the middle east oil & investment - in return they get to integrate & one way or another, we all love to eat middle east food, as well as work for tax free dollars in that part of the world.

I think UK peeps & celebrities alike are vacationing in the Middle east, Egypt & surrounding Muslim countries.

Look at the number of Christians & Muslims in the world - its real close

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for a bloodbath, well my view is the Americans 'gunslinger' (dress them up which ever way you want) do just fine in the killing fields both at home & abroad
 
Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:38 am
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Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
number of deaths from Malaria in 2014 - 584 000 (according to WHO)

number of deaths from terrorism in 2014 - 16000 (ish) worldwide according to this (Fivefold increase in terrorism fatalities since 9/11, says report | UK news | The Guardian)
I agree, at present many more die from disease, medical advancement will hopefully deal with this. We can only hope. However the terror problem has only just started. You rightly mention the deaths but what about the suffering and displacement of people (refugees TT) this is every bit as big a problem and it has the makings of something much bigger in terms of human suffering. Respect to you for the recognition of the problem with medicine and disease. So does everyone now just click over to another thread, or do you have something to add that may resolve the problem of fundentalism?

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Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:39 am
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Differences in cultural principles, belief systems, ideologies, opinions, philosophies etc we can we have interesting conversations and debates about, violence on the other hand, is bollocks.
 
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Originally Posted by not2old
greed, money & power ... it filters down

Who owns most all of the property in the UK?



Its a give & take me thinks, Western European countries & North American need (depend) on the middle east oil & investment - in return they get to integrate & one way or another, we all love to eat middle east food, as well as work for tax free dollars in that part of the world.

I think UK peeps & celebrities alike are vacationing in the Middle east, Egypt & surrounding Muslim countries.

Look at the number of Christians & Muslims in the world - its real close

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for a bloodbath, well my view is the Americans 'gunslinger' (dress them up which ever way you want) do just fine in the killing fields both at home & abroad
Quite funny. 😄. I think that investment funds probably own the most commercial property, I only have one house, like most families, just one place.
 
Old Jan 8th 2015 | 7:45 am
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Originally Posted by Oink
Differences in cultural principles, belief systems, ideologies, opinions, philosophies etc we can we have interesting conversations and debates about, violence on the other hand, is bollocks.
That is precisely what I'm trying to do, I would much prefer the non violent means of dealing with this prob. So what can we do?
 
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Originally Posted by Yorkiechef
So does everyone now just click over to another thread, or do you have something to add that may resolve the problem of fundimentism?
Christian fundamentalism

Five Things Christian Fundamentalists Just Don't Get | Sean McElwee

There is the Vatican & its corruption & control & we have 'God Bless' The American government

But not without

How Qatar bought London
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
We do not live in "Saudi" so what does it matter what they do, or do not permit?
I don't live in Saudi, but I still find that things like this matter...

Saudi blogger to be publicly flogged on charges he insulted Islam | World news | The Guardian
 
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
I think the "not all Muslims" exscuse is over used now, maybe try to explain how this action is perfectly understandable in the circumstances
Well it stands to reason that if you go out of your way to offend people with the wrong kind of sand magic then something is going to happen. There's freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean freedom from consequences. The magician should have know better than to incite hatred.

(I hope this matches the "lefty islam sympathiser" that exists in your imagination)
 
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The Islam crazy peoeple are making Islam and Muslimism the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.
 


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