In the other thread, Oakvillian posted a link to a very good article on the history of Islam and rise of the fundamentalist mindset. Definitely worth a read.

Fundamentalism is an entrenched problem and not something that is easy or maybe even possible to resolve. The muslims will need to resolve their own medieval mind. However, I agree with you that Britain and Europe accommodate people with these backward ideas far too readily. There is no reason whatsoever for women to wear the niqab and France was right and brave to ban it.

Unfortunately the two ideologies will never meet, and cannot co-exist in the same place unless on a very small scale. Now that the jihadist is out of the bottle, we're in for a long cultural war.

There was me thinking that YorkieChef and you were the elephants in this room?

To be fair mag, some are trying to engage on here, I fear that some dare not through fear. What they fear I don't know, express your views, if you can't do this then what happened to freedom of speech, the folk that died in Paris yesterday almost require you to do this out of principle.

The rapists and wife beaters are making men and manhood the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.

Yes, a war that will be at a place and time of their choosing.

Have you been following this story:

Ched Evans still has a lot to do if he is to play professionally once again | Football | The Guardian

Served his time but components of society don't want him to have a second chance and play again. I have been having a back and forth with some one on Facebook over this.

So are you trying to say in a subliminal way, when terror deaths match that of malaria we then do some thing ?

You been on a different planet?

Ireland
Red Army Faction
Israel in the late 40/50s
Malaya
Vietnam
Colonialism (probably the cause of a lot of today's problems)
Africa - All over

BBC - History - The Changing Faces of Terrorism

History of Terrorism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion
Technology has not only advanced mankind in a good way.

Perhaps one problem is lack of tolerance on all sides. It has to come from and start somewhere.

Some of what are now deemed terror groups were once friends and supplied armaments by the west to wipe out those perceived to be enemies.

Tell that to the Palestinians.

The war with Al-Qaida can be diminished very quickly.

The United States just have to stop propping up the Jews in Israel. That was how all this started and yet people (including pretty much all of you) seem to overlook.

Western interference started us on this rocky road in the first place.

Okay, so why do you think European born young men from minority cultures commit violence under the guise of religion?

You know we can all find articles and journals on just about any subject, what I would like to see is folk using their own mind and expressing their own views, I'm not trolling, Because this is contraversal, it likely to offend some but please don't do the PC stance because you fear ridicule. So I will return to this later and reply to those that could keep this thread going, otherwise I have identified a few that like to throw the odd line that is not worthy of oxygen, thanks.

I don't for a minute think that those who died yesterday would want to live in the world you described in your opening gambit..

You are an odd person.

Once some one gives you sound rationale you dismiss it as not using their own mind?

There's nothing controversial on here yet. You have thrown out some tripe comments based on generalisations and others have comfortably shot them down.

You are not the moderator, nor the judge here. You started a thread and now don't seem to have the nous or intellect to drive any meaningful debate forward.

Let's be honest what are you actually doing for either cause?

Sorry mate, I'm not a professional mind bender, but I suspect that it has much to do with being undereducated and they feel under represented because they are a minority. Perhaps they are clinging on to some comfort blanket, or have been brainwashed by another nutter, we all like to feel part of something. You know, they might just be skint and hate everyone. Crime? This covers many things, are we talking murder or drug smuggling or peadophillia or knicking stuff.