Coronavirus
Mar 15th 2020, 10:27 pm
#511
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Re: Coronavirus
Not looking good.
"Dr. Vera Etches told reporters Sunday that 10 people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ottawa — and some of those people have been walking around undiagnosed in the city for weeks. It means, she said, that hundreds of people could be infected in Ottawa."
"“One case is typically resulting in two cases, and the doubling time is about four or five days, so we’re estimating that right now in Ottawa, there could be from a couple of hundred to even a thousand cases of COVID-19 in the community,” she said."
"Dr. Vera Etches told reporters Sunday that 10 people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in Ottawa — and some of those people have been walking around undiagnosed in the city for weeks. It means, she said, that hundreds of people could be infected in Ottawa."
"“One case is typically resulting in two cases, and the doubling time is about four or five days, so we’re estimating that right now in Ottawa, there could be from a couple of hundred to even a thousand cases of COVID-19 in the community,” she said."
Mar 15th 2020, 10:46 pm
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Re: Coronavirus
City of Surrey here in BC is closing all rec centers, ice rinks, pools, libraries until further notice.
With colleges moving to online, wonder what students who don't have home internet are going to do if public access points like libraries end up closed. I do know most people have home internet but not everyone does.
With colleges moving to online, wonder what students who don't have home internet are going to do if public access points like libraries end up closed. I do know most people have home internet but not everyone does.
Mar 16th 2020, 12:01 am
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Re: Coronavirus
But this is why the numbers themselves are so important. Using relative comparisons like doubled, 100% more etc. is non helpful and alarmist.
When the numbers double from 11 to 21, like they did in the UK the other day, the numbers are still small.
If it doubles from 10,000 to 20,000 that is more significant.
When the numbers double from 11 to 21, like they did in the UK the other day, the numbers are still small.
If it doubles from 10,000 to 20,000 that is more significant.
Last edited by Siouxie; Mar 16th 2020 at 12:08 am.
Mar 16th 2020, 12:18 am
#514
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Re: Coronavirus
Sigh. I suppose it depends on your point of view and your 'at risk' status. Every time the numbers double that's double the amount of people who have passed it on to how many others - ad infinitum, the domino effect. It's of concern whether it's 20 or 20,000... it also depends on where you live - if you live in a village of 200 people and 20 people have it.. the chances of being in contact with someone is pretty high.
Mar 16th 2020, 1:35 am
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Re: Coronavirus
...some of those people have been walking around undiagnosed in the city for weeks
A day or so later they confirmed number two who was a close contact of the first. From the information given one would conclude it was her husband.
A couple of days later and four more 'presumptive' cases have been added. Again, close contacts, and from the details given most likely two siblings or one and a spouse in-law and two adult children of either couple.
The time scale would suggest some sort of get together after returning from France and at least one other household, perhaps as many as four other households. There could be others in those households plus, of course anyone else the close contacting people have since had close contacts with; work or socially.
It's not hard to see how it spreads.
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Mar 16th 2020, 2:36 am
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Re: Coronavirus
On one of my occasional visits to this forum given what is going on, for what is is worth, here is an opinion from someone who will be on the front line of the situation rather than working from home. As usual, there are the usual armchair experts, everyone of course is entitled to their opinion and nobody really knows how this is going to truly pan out but here are my thoughts.
Working in BC, my main input has been provided by BC Public Health fronted by Dr. Bonnie Henry and supported by Adrian Dix. The thing I greatly admire is that the government has been able to stand back and let the experts get on with it seemingly without interference, something that I have definitely not seen South of the border nor indeed in the UK.
The only thing that we can achieve is to flatten the curve so that our medical services can cope, people will get the disease but we need to hopefully retain at least some control. Looking at the current numbers, whilst they are increasing, and that is inevitable there is still a degree of control. The key to this is, as the WHO have continued to reiterate to go back to basics and contact trace and locate all the contacts as best they can. Countries like Singapore have kept the numbers down by doing just this. These are the principles that are being stuck to by the letter in BC and I am sure in other provinces and I feel that is the only way that we have any hope of success.
I cannot comprehend what the hell the UK are doing, I do not understand in any way what they are trying to achieve, words about herd immunity are banded around but this is only in my understanding appropriate for immunization. I have very elderly parents in the UK and I worry dearly. I see large crowds gathered at sports events,concerts in the UK even this weekend, people just do not seem to be taking it seriously.
Nothing ever surprises me about the United States nowadays, given its leadership, I have no doubt that they are heading for the same position that Italy are sadly in now which both saddens me and worries me. I feel that I our Southern border should be closed immediately.
Siouxie, you have every right to feel anxious I am afraid, thankfully you are in a country which is taking this very seriously. You are in a position I hope to take yourself away from things for a prolonged period to keep yourself safe and you should do so. You need not panic, just be your usual sensible self. I would agree that too many people have been very blasé about Covid 19, even on this forum playing down the risks. People in their 30s and 40s and 50s are dying in Italy and that will happen around the world if some degree of control is not achieved I saw the Washington post article that dbd33 linked to and I think it demonstrates things extremely well.
We are in our office gearing up to the presumption that we will be dealing with cases in the near future, trying to ensure that our patients who are currently unaffected, our staff and indeed ourselves are kept safe as possible . This takes significant planning but I feel working alongside all other agencies within the country who are taking this seriously, we can flatten the curve. Now, it is up to the general public to do everything that they have been asked to do social distancing, isolation of those at risk and obviously complete hand hygiene etc.
South Korea have now exceeded cases by recoveries and they are an example of a country which have flattened the curve, that is what we need to do here as well. Unfortunately, I feel that that boat has been missed in several countries in Europe although other countries with a small number of cases have now woken up and taken appropriate action.
Given Engineer_abroad presumable academic and hopefully scientific background, I was stunned by his post concerning the doubling numbers yesterday. Are you that naive? You do realise that if you keep on doubling a number you will end up with a very big number..right??? Also never just discard the old and the vulnerable-if you have this attitude then there is no prospect of us getting through this.
Just my thoughts... carry on- I will get back to work trying to help the likes of you lot!
Working in BC, my main input has been provided by BC Public Health fronted by Dr. Bonnie Henry and supported by Adrian Dix. The thing I greatly admire is that the government has been able to stand back and let the experts get on with it seemingly without interference, something that I have definitely not seen South of the border nor indeed in the UK.
The only thing that we can achieve is to flatten the curve so that our medical services can cope, people will get the disease but we need to hopefully retain at least some control. Looking at the current numbers, whilst they are increasing, and that is inevitable there is still a degree of control. The key to this is, as the WHO have continued to reiterate to go back to basics and contact trace and locate all the contacts as best they can. Countries like Singapore have kept the numbers down by doing just this. These are the principles that are being stuck to by the letter in BC and I am sure in other provinces and I feel that is the only way that we have any hope of success.
I cannot comprehend what the hell the UK are doing, I do not understand in any way what they are trying to achieve, words about herd immunity are banded around but this is only in my understanding appropriate for immunization. I have very elderly parents in the UK and I worry dearly. I see large crowds gathered at sports events,concerts in the UK even this weekend, people just do not seem to be taking it seriously.
Nothing ever surprises me about the United States nowadays, given its leadership, I have no doubt that they are heading for the same position that Italy are sadly in now which both saddens me and worries me. I feel that I our Southern border should be closed immediately.
Siouxie, you have every right to feel anxious I am afraid, thankfully you are in a country which is taking this very seriously. You are in a position I hope to take yourself away from things for a prolonged period to keep yourself safe and you should do so. You need not panic, just be your usual sensible self. I would agree that too many people have been very blasé about Covid 19, even on this forum playing down the risks. People in their 30s and 40s and 50s are dying in Italy and that will happen around the world if some degree of control is not achieved I saw the Washington post article that dbd33 linked to and I think it demonstrates things extremely well.
We are in our office gearing up to the presumption that we will be dealing with cases in the near future, trying to ensure that our patients who are currently unaffected, our staff and indeed ourselves are kept safe as possible . This takes significant planning but I feel working alongside all other agencies within the country who are taking this seriously, we can flatten the curve. Now, it is up to the general public to do everything that they have been asked to do social distancing, isolation of those at risk and obviously complete hand hygiene etc.
South Korea have now exceeded cases by recoveries and they are an example of a country which have flattened the curve, that is what we need to do here as well. Unfortunately, I feel that that boat has been missed in several countries in Europe although other countries with a small number of cases have now woken up and taken appropriate action.
Given Engineer_abroad presumable academic and hopefully scientific background, I was stunned by his post concerning the doubling numbers yesterday. Are you that naive? You do realise that if you keep on doubling a number you will end up with a very big number..right??? Also never just discard the old and the vulnerable-if you have this attitude then there is no prospect of us getting through this.
Just my thoughts... carry on- I will get back to work trying to help the likes of you lot!
Last edited by Stinkypup; Mar 16th 2020 at 2:41 am.
Mar 16th 2020, 2:40 am
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Re: Coronavirus
I heard on the 6 pm TV news that a grocery store in Edmonton is going to open an hour earlier in the morning for seniors only ........ so they can shop before everything has been mauled over. I think it is probably a Sobeys ......... gives hope they might do it elsewhere.
A friend in Australia told me earlier today that Woolworth's there is opening an hour earlier at 7am for seniors.
The little local coffee shop that we go to refused to give OH a latte for me in my travel mug yesterday. They insisted it had to be put into a disposable plastic cup and then HE could pour into the mug.
I gather Starbucks and Timmys are doing the same thing ........... but they are also refusing to use real cups for instore customers. They're insisting on only disposable cups.
Fortunately our little shop is still using real cups as they have a very efficient commercial dish washer
We were in there today, and they were wiping down counters and all metal surfaces, door handles, taps etc with Clorox wipes ...... the girl said they have to do it every hour. Owner's orders.
A friend in Australia told me earlier today that Woolworth's there is opening an hour earlier at 7am for seniors.
The little local coffee shop that we go to refused to give OH a latte for me in my travel mug yesterday. They insisted it had to be put into a disposable plastic cup and then HE could pour into the mug.
I gather Starbucks and Timmys are doing the same thing ........... but they are also refusing to use real cups for instore customers. They're insisting on only disposable cups.
Fortunately our little shop is still using real cups as they have a very efficient commercial dish washer
We were in there today, and they were wiping down counters and all metal surfaces, door handles, taps etc with Clorox wipes ...... the girl said they have to do it every hour. Owner's orders.
Mar 16th 2020, 3:34 am
#518
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Re: Coronavirus
10 BC casinos shutting down.
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03...e-to-covid-19/
I have seen a few places online that there will be a big press conference tomorrow morning in BC.
CBSA officer in Toronto has tested positive.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6681665/c...arson-airport/
https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/03...e-to-covid-19/
I have seen a few places online that there will be a big press conference tomorrow morning in BC.
CBSA officer in Toronto has tested positive.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6681665/c...arson-airport/
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Mar 16th 2020, 3:38 am
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Re: Coronavirus
I heard on the 6 pm TV news that a grocery store in Edmonton is going to open an hour earlier in the morning for seniors only ........ so they can shop before everything has been mauled over. I think it is probably a Sobeys ......... gives hope they might do it elsewhere.
A friend in Australia told me earlier today that Woolworth's there is opening an hour earlier at 7am for seniors.
The little local coffee shop that we go to refused to give OH a latte for me in my travel mug yesterday. They insisted it had to be put into a disposable plastic cup and then HE could pour into the mug.
I gather Starbucks and Timmys are doing the same thing ........... but they are also refusing to use real cups for instore customers. They're insisting on only disposable cups.
Fortunately our little shop is still using real cups as they have a very efficient commercial dish washer
We were in there today, and they were wiping down counters and all metal surfaces, door handles, taps etc with Clorox wipes ...... the girl said they have to do it every hour. Owner's orders.
A friend in Australia told me earlier today that Woolworth's there is opening an hour earlier at 7am for seniors.
The little local coffee shop that we go to refused to give OH a latte for me in my travel mug yesterday. They insisted it had to be put into a disposable plastic cup and then HE could pour into the mug.
I gather Starbucks and Timmys are doing the same thing ........... but they are also refusing to use real cups for instore customers. They're insisting on only disposable cups.
Fortunately our little shop is still using real cups as they have a very efficient commercial dish washer
We were in there today, and they were wiping down counters and all metal surfaces, door handles, taps etc with Clorox wipes ...... the girl said they have to do it every hour. Owner's orders.
Good to hear from you and thanks for doing what you do.
Mar 16th 2020, 5:41 am
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Re: Coronavirus
On one of my occasional visits to this forum given what is going on, for what is is worth, here is an opinion from someone who will be on the front line of the situation rather than working from home. As usual, there are the usual armchair experts, everyone of course is entitled to their opinion and nobody really knows how this is going to truly pan out but here are my thoughts.
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Siouxie, you have every right to feel anxious I am afraid, thankfully you are in a country which is taking this very seriously. You are in a position I hope to take yourself away from things for a prolonged period to keep yourself safe and you should do so. You need not panic, just be your usual sensible self. I would agree that too many people have been very blasé about Covid 19, even on this forum playing down the risks. People in their 30s and 40s and 50s are dying in Italy and that will happen around the world if some degree of control is not achieved I saw the Washington post article that dbd33 linked to and I think it demonstrates things extremely well.
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Just my thoughts... carry on- I will get back to work trying to help the likes of you lot!
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Siouxie, you have every right to feel anxious I am afraid, thankfully you are in a country which is taking this very seriously. You are in a position I hope to take yourself away from things for a prolonged period to keep yourself safe and you should do so. You need not panic, just be your usual sensible self. I would agree that too many people have been very blasé about Covid 19, even on this forum playing down the risks. People in their 30s and 40s and 50s are dying in Italy and that will happen around the world if some degree of control is not achieved I saw the Washington post article that dbd33 linked to and I think it demonstrates things extremely well.
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Just my thoughts... carry on- I will get back to work trying to help the likes of you lot!
Please take the greatest care of yourselves - you are on the front line and putting yourselves at risk (as does my nephew, a paramedic) ... thank you for all that you do - and will do more of in the coming weeks..
Last edited by Siouxie; Mar 16th 2020 at 5:45 am.
Mar 16th 2020, 5:44 am
#523
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Re: Coronavirus
I miss stinkypup, glad to see a post and still alive.
I am trying not worry, I am not feeling well, very tired all day, now flu like feeling when flu is first starting, a very mild dry cough, and a very mild fever, I hope its just a regular flu.
I am trying not worry, I am not feeling well, very tired all day, now flu like feeling when flu is first starting, a very mild dry cough, and a very mild fever, I hope its just a regular flu.
Mar 16th 2020, 6:26 am
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Re: Coronavirus
I have a feeling some restrictions will be announced tomorrow. Prime Minister will be addressing the nation at 10am Pacific Time according to our provincial government, I had trouble finding an article but our health minister tweeted it, followed by a BC provincial address to the province at 11am.
