Coronavirus
#4456
Re: Coronavirus
Got any links to that? I've seen nothing anywhere (and I'm not just reading Canadian stuff) to suggest immunity once vaccinated and the most optimistic thing as to whether it can be passed on is an "early indication but too early to say" with any confidence.
#4457
Re: Coronavirus
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...and-no-serious
#4458
#4459
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#4460
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Re: Coronavirus
But as long as you have people like "Dr." Tam who constantly doubts science, or Ford in Ontario who "sees too many airplanes" Canada won't get very far with this attitude and free movement will be more than a while away. To Ford this is purely political, he has an election to win, next year, and is paying a of of ads to create the "fear of variants", whilst the spreading is within his province.
It's a very difficult subject for many people in Canada, and also for many users here in this forum- sadly.
#4461
Re: Coronavirus
“This is not your normal flu vaccine,” “This is something totally different. This is a witches’ brew. I’ve never seen anything like this in science or medicine.”
“There’s many ways it can be taken up into our genome,”. “So when this gets into the genome, if it’s permanent, guess what? You, as a human, can be patented and owned—look it up!”
#4462
Re: Coronavirus
Got any links to that?
So that's a "no" then.
Poppycock.
Here's a link for you.
BioNTech boss strikes upbeat note on Europe's vaccine drive
So your claim that "It's been scientifically proven that one is immune with the vaccine and you can't pass it on" is hogwash isn't it.
It's a very difficult subject for many people in Canada, and also for many users here in this forum- sadly.
Here's a link for you.
BioNTech boss strikes upbeat note on Europe's vaccine drive
Ugur Sahin, whose company developed the first widely approved shot against COVID-19 with U.S. partner Pfizer, predicted that "50-60% of the population will have received the vaccine" by the end of June, at which point any easing of pandemic restrictions would affect a broad swath of the population.
He cited studies from Israel, which shares medical data on its vaccination campaign with Pfizer, showing that people who have been immunized rarely fall seriously ill and are significantly less likely to transmit the virus to others.
He cited studies from Israel, which shares medical data on its vaccination campaign with Pfizer, showing that people who have been immunized rarely fall seriously ill and are significantly less likely to transmit the virus to others.
#4463
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Re: Coronavirus
The vaccine is for instance way way more effective than any flu vaccine we've ever had.
Doubting the effectiveness of the vaccine would put all long term care / elderly care homes out of business. Why should they vaccinate their employees then, to protect the most vulnerable of society against Covid 19?
To me Covid it a bit like Brexit. Everything said, discussed, done is about differences.
I wonder how the opioid crisis in Canada will be tackled? - if ever? The same way as they did against Covid 19? Far off, I take it.
Or what Cannabis does to your brain? legal or not?
I also wonder what would happen if I would, as a vaccinated Israeli citizen arrive on a direct flight from Israel to Canada? Senseless quarantine? Not in the EU.
Covid 19 has shown me some sides of Canada I honestly neither find friendly, attractive or welcoming.
This discussion feels like telling the SNP that independence is a bad thing, or telling Boris that the EU is a good thing to be part of.
Last edited by OrangeMango; May 6th 2021 at 4:37 pm.
#4464
Re: Coronavirus
Seriously? Siouxie correctly stated "People think they are immune because they had the vaccine; - rather than they are less likely to get seriously/dangerously ill if they do catch it... ...having the vaccine doesn't guarantee you won't catch it nor pass it on."
You categorically stated that was wrong and that "It's been scientifically proven that one is immune with the vaccine and you can't pass it on."
I linked to an article where your man said no such thing and very clearly agreed with Siouxie's comment.
And you think this is my interpretation.
You categorically stated that was wrong and that "It's been scientifically proven that one is immune with the vaccine and you can't pass it on."
I linked to an article where your man said no such thing and very clearly agreed with Siouxie's comment.
And you think this is my interpretation.
#4465
Re: Coronavirus
But no one's doubting the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine OM, it's a bloody godsend as are most of those that have been developed. We were just pointing out that the vaccine does not make you immune to covid as you stated.
#4466
Re: Coronavirus
My understanding is that the immunity is around 70 - 95 % (depending on maker). In which case some recipients are immune (for a period) and some are not. As with any vaccine, the immunity degrades over time. All in all, still need to be careful until enough of the population are immune (vaccine or natural antibodies) that the risk is negligible.
#4467
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Re: Coronavirus
I am afraid, you're not correct here. It's been scientifically proven that one is immune with the vaccine and you can't pass it on. This is certainly the case with the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine and has been published as well. It's sadly only in Canada where the vaccine and it's effectiveness is always in doubt.
What one can actually do out of personal medical interest is to take a blood test around 4 weeks after the 2nd vaccine has been administered, and get the full results on antibodies.
What one can actually do out of personal medical interest is to take a blood test around 4 weeks after the 2nd vaccine has been administered, and get the full results on antibodies.
(for a laymans explanation, see here: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...pread-covid-19
I'm particpating in a Health Canada covid antibody test for research purposes, to determine if anyone has natural antibodies / immunity - as a courtesy they will also inform me of the result. They would prefer me not to have had the vaccine until I've taken the test, although if I do then I will need to notify them, but it's not medically appropriate for me to take the vaccine at the present time anyway.. This has been an ongoing research project I have been part of for many months.
Last edited by Siouxie; May 6th 2021 at 5:18 pm.
#4468
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Re: Coronavirus
I'm sorry but you are not correct in your assumption regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine - .it neither gives you complete immunity nor stops you from passing it on if you happen to catch it.
I'm particpating in a Health Canada covid antibody test for research purposes, to determine if anyone has natural antibodies / immunity - as a courtesy they will also inform me of the result. They would prefer me not to have had the vaccine until I've taken the test, although if I do then I will need to notify them, but it's not medically appropriate for me to take the vaccine at the present time anyway.. This has been an ongoing research project I have been part of for many months.
I'm particpating in a Health Canada covid antibody test for research purposes, to determine if anyone has natural antibodies / immunity - as a courtesy they will also inform me of the result. They would prefer me not to have had the vaccine until I've taken the test, although if I do then I will need to notify them, but it's not medically appropriate for me to take the vaccine at the present time anyway.. This has been an ongoing research project I have been part of for many months.
Oddly, this doesn't happen in the EU, or the UK.
It's too much obsessed with a "100% solution" which will never ever exist. At the same time, Canada is unable to seem to control the influx of drugs into the country.
I wonder if there is ever such a study on drug use in Canada?
#4470
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Re: Coronavirus
The vaccines are effective against infection. Not 100% but way more than the flu shot
wwksf-vaccine-effectiveness.pdf
Looking at a comparison of other vaccines: polio is 99% effective after 4 doses. MMR 97% effective against measles after two doses, 88% against mumps, 97% rubella. Smallpox 95% but there should be boosters, typhoid is 80%. Various internet sources for this data
wwksf-vaccine-effectiveness.pdf
Looking at a comparison of other vaccines: polio is 99% effective after 4 doses. MMR 97% effective against measles after two doses, 88% against mumps, 97% rubella. Smallpox 95% but there should be boosters, typhoid is 80%. Various internet sources for this data