Coronavirus
#4486
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Location: BC, Canada
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Re: Coronavirus
Canada's economy is in big trouble and I don't think a school teacher with nice hair is going to address it. We need proper industries here and fast or we will all be working in Amazon warehouses.
With regards to vaccination two of the largest companies on the FTSE have historically been Astra Zeneca and GSK. This presence set up the UK well to respond to any pharmaceutical need with existing high level relationships between corporation and government. All Canada has is sales/marketing branch plants for these companies and a market that is small and not particularly profitable to service because it is spread a long the border.
For a start what has Canada been doing? The Federal government seems to have control of two things. The first is deciding on who can and cannot enter Canada and the second was procuring vaccines. The second didn't go well and the first has become highly topical conversation. Trudeau recently said he was waiting to see what the British government was doing with flights before acting which is not good enough.
Beyond that strategies have largely been driven by the provinces. Here in Ontario the government has failed to use data from Ontario Public Health in its decision making and has preferred a strategy of claiming it's doing everything whilst doing nothing. I've personally been locked down nearly 5 months but this has been irrelevant because plenty of businesses have been fully functional with workers in close proximity who can't afford to take sick leave needing dollars to pay their bills. We've also had the completely ludicrous decision to have children return to schools earlier in the year when they were identified as a massive source of outbreak. In Ontario 4 adults weren't allowed to sit outside a restaurant for a meal but 20+ kids were able to sit inside a classroom? It's been a disaster.
Where Canada really has fallen over, as it does with almost everything we need delivered, is that we have been reduced to the usual finger pointing between the three levels of government. Instead of providing a central co-ordinated strategy we have a blame game and different noises being made about what the way forward is.
It's particularly frustrating that we still have no idea of when we might have some normality back in our lives. FFS even Boris has been able to have a go at that.
With regards to vaccination two of the largest companies on the FTSE have historically been Astra Zeneca and GSK. This presence set up the UK well to respond to any pharmaceutical need with existing high level relationships between corporation and government. All Canada has is sales/marketing branch plants for these companies and a market that is small and not particularly profitable to service because it is spread a long the border.
For a start what has Canada been doing? The Federal government seems to have control of two things. The first is deciding on who can and cannot enter Canada and the second was procuring vaccines. The second didn't go well and the first has become highly topical conversation. Trudeau recently said he was waiting to see what the British government was doing with flights before acting which is not good enough.
Beyond that strategies have largely been driven by the provinces. Here in Ontario the government has failed to use data from Ontario Public Health in its decision making and has preferred a strategy of claiming it's doing everything whilst doing nothing. I've personally been locked down nearly 5 months but this has been irrelevant because plenty of businesses have been fully functional with workers in close proximity who can't afford to take sick leave needing dollars to pay their bills. We've also had the completely ludicrous decision to have children return to schools earlier in the year when they were identified as a massive source of outbreak. In Ontario 4 adults weren't allowed to sit outside a restaurant for a meal but 20+ kids were able to sit inside a classroom? It's been a disaster.
Where Canada really has fallen over, as it does with almost everything we need delivered, is that we have been reduced to the usual finger pointing between the three levels of government. Instead of providing a central co-ordinated strategy we have a blame game and different noises being made about what the way forward is.
It's particularly frustrating that we still have no idea of when we might have some normality back in our lives. FFS even Boris has been able to have a go at that.
The Feds are only responsible for certain things, eg National Defense, International Borders, Foreign Relations, and most importantly, providing funding to each of the provinces in some very complicated processes so that the Premiers of the provinces are responsible for providing services to their citizens ..... such as Education, Health Services.
Thus it is the Premier who is responsible for his province ............. Rob Ford for Ontario, Kenney for Alberta, Horgan for BC, ec. They are advised by their own Provincial Health Doctor, Health Minister ans panels of advisers.
Trudeau and his advisor can only advise and provide money, as well as proocuring the nation's supplies of PPEs, vaccines etc.
We had a good Premier who reacted fast, as did the 4 Atlantic Provinces, and did really well until this last 3rd wave. Ford lagged well behind, and as a result you're paying the penalty.
I've been basically isolated since March last year, but most of that has been self-imposed, we were not under strict lockdown after July last year. Even now coffee shops, restaurants are open for take-out and outdoor patio service, all shops are open, hairdressers/dentists/etc are all in operation.
But that is all due to Horgan, Adrian Dix and Bonnie Henry.
#4487
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Re: Coronavirus
We've about used up the supply again: "Hey #Regina! We anticipate we’ll run out of vaccine at the Regina COVID-19 immunization drive-thru clinic at EVRAZ Place before the end of the day today (May 7). Lines are short, for the moment. #StickItToCOVID"
https://regina.ctvnews.ca/vaccine-su...iday-1.5418817
https://regina.ctvnews.ca/vaccine-su...iday-1.5418817
Meanwhile Bonnie Henry and Adrian Dix are announcing that BC is expecting millions of doses of Pfizer and Moderna between next week and the end of May.
That will be coming from Ottawa in the "divvie up" of vaccines received by the Feds.
So why are you getting th good news as well as the bad?????
#4489
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Joined: Jan 2006
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Re: Coronavirus
I can understand why some may not be keen on Astra Zeneca, but is Moderna having some issue people are worried about?
#4490
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Joined: Jul 2012
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#4493
#4494
Re: Coronavirus
(ps I wasn't having a go at you James, I was having a go at people who think something is better because it's more expensive)
#4495
Re: Coronavirus
When the pandemic first hit Sskatchewan, warnings were ignored by a snowmobile club up north, providing our first example of a super-spreader. Then we started seeing it in isolated northern reserves with crowded housing, where infection rates skyrocketed. All it took was for one person to bring it in and everyone got it, often where medical facilities were not. We sent our Moderna up north first because it doesn't require the -70C storage temp like Phizer and can be sent to fly-in communities and up to those at the end of the road. At the end of last year there was some discussion over whether Moderna could be approved as a one shot vaccine with no return trip is required to administer the 2nd dose, but that proved to be sheer speculation. Even as a 2 dose vaccine, it's critical to those in remote areas because of the relative ease in shipping and storage.
#4496
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Re: Coronavirus
Pandemic errors made things worse than they needed to be.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...Aj9sRWGA43BfbY
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...Aj9sRWGA43BfbY
#4497
Re: Coronavirus
A bit like me when looking at laptops. If one was $800 down to $600 and another is $650 down to $550, the second one might be perfectly good enough for my needs but I'll get the first.
#4499
Re: Coronavirus
After weeks of new COVID cases in Ontario hovering around 4K per day…today’s numbers are down to 2,864. Unfortunately there are 25 deaths. Hopefully lockdown and vaccinations are now kicking in and an end is in sight.
Edit. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-re...drop-1.5419654
Edit. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-re...drop-1.5419654
Last edited by Jerseygirl; May 8th 2021 at 5:23 pm.
#4500
Re: Coronavirus
I think with Pfizer there is less side effects, if any, with the first jab.
I think there is a misconception that with it people will avoid side effects all together when in fact it is the second dose when they are felt.
With AZ and Moderna the side effects are jab 1.
I don't know why this is but that seems to be the trend.
I think there is a misconception that with it people will avoid side effects all together when in fact it is the second dose when they are felt.
With AZ and Moderna the side effects are jab 1.
I don't know why this is but that seems to be the trend.