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Old Jun 30th 2020, 8:54 pm
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John Tory, Mayor of Toronto is recommending a bye-law making the wearing of masks in indoor public places (shops, businesses etc) mandatory from July 7th.
Yay!!! the bill has been passed. Mask up people.
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Old Jun 30th 2020, 9:06 pm
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It is beneficial, that’s why Toronto and surrounding districts are pushing a bill through to make masks wearing mandatory.
If that is true, are you able to explain why the federal and provincial governments have not made it mandatory? Are they acting negligently?
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Old Jun 30th 2020, 9:09 pm
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Yay!!! the bill has been passed. Mask up people.
If this isn't enforced well (the article says it will focus more on education) then it could end up like it is in the states with Karen's getting publicly shamed, and then throwing a tantrum and leaving the store. I hope Torontonians are better than this.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/wh...licy-1.5006032
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Old Jun 30th 2020, 9:12 pm
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If that is true, are you able to explain why the federal and provincial governments have not made it mandatory? Are they acting negligently?
maybe more and more districts will follow...and the province may follow. I know several around Toronto are hoping to pass a similar bill.

I wonder why Dr Fauci in the US recommends wearing a mask? Doctors all over the world wear them...I wonder why?

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If this isn't enforced well (the article says it will focus more on education) then it could end up like it is in the states with Karen's getting publicly shamed, and then throwing a tantrum and leaving the store. I hope Torontonians are better than this.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/wh...licy-1.5006032
having lived in the US for nearly 20 years...I do believe Canadians are let me say...more laid back than Americans. So hopefully we will not see many Karen’s.

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Old Jun 30th 2020, 9:27 pm
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Air Canada having to do some more cuts due to COVID reducing air travel demand.

30 domestic regional routes being cut, and they are closing 8 stations down completely and ending service.

8 stations closing are:
  • Bathurst, N.B.
  • Wabush, N.L.
  • Gaspé, Que.
  • Baie Comeau, Que.
  • Mont Joli, Que.
  • Val d'Or, Que.
  • Kingston, Ont.
  • North Bay, Ont.
Routes being cut:
  • In Atlantic Canada: Deer Lake-Goose Bay, Deer Lake-St. John's, Fredericton-Halifax, Fredericton-Ottawa, Moncton-Halifax, Saint John-Halifax, Charlottetown-Halifax, Moncton-Ottawa, Gander-Goose Bay, Gander-St. John's, Bathurst-Montreal, Wabush-Goose Bay, Wabush-Sept-Iles, Goose Bay-St. John's.
  • In Quebec: Baie Comeau-Montreal, Baie Comeau-Mont Joli, Gaspé-Iles de la Madeleine, Gaspé-Quebec City, Sept-Iles-Quebec City, Val d'Or-Montreal, Mont Joli-Montreal, Rouyn-Noranda-Val d'Or.
  • In Ontario: Kingston-Toronto, London-Ottawa, North Bay-Toronto, Windsor-Montreal.
  • In Western Canada: Regina-Winnipeg, Regina-Saskatoon, Regina-Ottawa, Saskatoon-Ottawa.


Air Canada doesn't expect air travel to recover for at least 3 years, and in the coming weeks to months more cuts will be considered to slow the cash burn rate, current cash burn rate is approx $22 million per day. March alone they burned through $688 million. System wide capacity in 2nd quarter was down 85% over 2019, and 3rd quarter they expect to be down by 75% compared to 2019.

More than 2/3 of the routes being cut are operated by Jazz under the Air Canada Express banner and all 8 stations being closed are Jazz stations.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air...cuts-1.5632874

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Old Jun 30th 2020, 9:51 pm
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Doctors all over the world wear them...I wonder why?.
Because they are exposed to close contact with multiple people in a single day or looking directly into your open body cavity during an operation. Also because they are employees of the medical service they work for and are therefore liable to their patients.

it’s a completely different risk profile to someone who may stand closer than 2, 3, 4 m (insert your best guess here) to someone for 30 seconds. Maybe we should all wear hard hats in cosco in case something falls off the shelf and hits us on the head. It’s a risk after all.
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Because they are exposed to close contact with multiple people in a single day or looking directly into your open body cavity during an operation. Also because they are employees of the medical service they work for and are therefore liable to their patients.
It's so if they screw up you can't identify them.
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Old Jun 30th 2020, 10:02 pm
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Because they are exposed to close contact with multiple people in a single day or looking directly into your open body cavity during an operation. Also because they are employees of the medical service they work for and are therefore liable to their patients.

it’s a completely different risk profile to someone who may stand closer than 2, 3, 4 m (insert your best guess here) to someone for 30 seconds. Maybe we should all wear hard hats in cosco in case something falls off the shelf and hits us on the head. It’s a risk after all.
OK I get it, you know better than all the health experts...or are you just argumentative? Either way, argue with yourself.
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Old Jun 30th 2020, 10:07 pm
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OK I get it, you know better than all the health experts...or are you just argumentative? Either way, argue with yourself.
I’m going to sound like a broken record but all the medical experts don’t agree or it would be mandatory. Sounds like you only want to hear what’s in your echo chamber right now.

BTW I have over 12 years experience in health and safety risk assessments for the mining and construction industry. So yes I know a little more than the average person about the assessment of risk and implantation of meaningful controls to control said risk.

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Old Jun 30th 2020, 10:32 pm
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Because they are exposed to close contact with multiple people in a single day or looking directly into your open body cavity during an operation. Also because they are employees of the medical service they work for and are therefore liable to their patients.

it’s a completely different risk profile to someone who may stand closer than 2, 3, 4 m (insert your best guess here) to someone for 30 seconds. Maybe we should all wear hard hats in cosco in case something falls off the shelf and hits us on the head. It’s a risk after all.
Speaking of "completely different risk profiles" transmission of Coronavirus between non-masked individuals over the course of a day is far more likely than an object falling from Costco. These kind of false analogies are unhelpful, because persuade people to make the wrong choices.

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Old Jun 30th 2020, 10:46 pm
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Because they are exposed to close contact with multiple people in a single day
So am I if I go to the supermarket or pharmacy. With the added disadvantage that I have no idea whether other people are infectious whereas the doctor at least has a pretty good idea that the person they are seeing is ill and possibly they even know what's wrong with them.
Maybe we should all wear hard hats in cosco in case something falls off the shelf and hits us on the head. It’s a risk after all.
Does that object falling on your head hurt me and others too? It's about the benefits to the many, not just the few. Or the one.

(Hey, I was able to use a line from Star Trek without it sounding the least contrived)
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We seem to be in a new phase now, the US has lost the option to control the virus through track and trace:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/cdc-...s-country.html

What if it's never safe to open the border?
I say its closed for at least 6 more months to maybe a year at least.

Well its never been closed, I should say the restrictions on non-essential travel will remain in place.

I don't see them actually closing the border as in nobody can cross.
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 1:44 am
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Seems in the fall we may be required to wear a mask, BC seems to be taking the get people used to the idea, make it seem like they have a choice, and then eventually mandate it approach, but hey seems to be working slowly but surely, our case numbers are still stable and fairly low so there isn't a rush to mandate masks, but hints are there a mandate could happen.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...asks-1.5633657
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 2:46 am
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I’m going to sound like a broken record but all the medical experts don’t agree or it would be mandatory. Sounds like you only want to hear what’s in your echo chamber right now.

BTW I have over 12 years experience in health and safety risk assessments for the mining and construction industry. So yes I know a little more than the average person about the assessment of risk and implantation of meaningful controls to control said risk.
Hmmmmm think I will take this guy’s advice, over your 12 years experience and he says wearing masks prevents the spread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci

Now I really will leave you to argue with yourself.
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Old Jul 1st 2020, 2:49 am
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BTW I have over 12 years experience in health and safety risk assessments for the mining and construction industry. So yes I know a little more than the average person about the assessment of risk and implantation of meaningful controls to control said risk.
If masks had to be implanted I'd be against them too
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