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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11435916)
This is a site for British expats in India. Do any expats reading this Forum actually care about India????
Post 7303 concerning the wonderful news about the award of the Nobel Peace prize relating to both India and Pakistan is followed by two posts about a British constitution!!!! The only reply on the Indian side is from the moderator-- bakedbean (who seems a nice person and always has something pleasant to say). My previous post about Indian election results on TV led to a reply about being "only glued to the beach", "nothing in it for us". (You will have to excuse me, just having an off-thread grouse. * I presume those expats who actually care about India, with all its bad and good points, apart from what they can get out of it, just don't post. ) RofS |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Return of Santan
(Post 11438974)
* I think we know the reason why the Goa forum is now a bit of a Marie Celeste and devoid of the good posts of old.... however I digress, I think Mr Modi's call to " Swachh Bharat" (clean India) is very inventive and sincerely hope his simple call is a great success :thumbsup: however how many other false dawns have we experienced ? RofS |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by alwaysomewhere
(Post 11439010)
i personally find it hilarious to read some of the posts that totally resonant with anybody who has been in Goa over the last 10-12 years. And having seen all these changes and the terrible upheaval and personal tragedies that have resulted for many expats I can totally empathise with the naysayers and negativity that is evident in some posts. The final irony seems to be that we will end up right back where we started but all the good will that was evident when I first bought in Goa in 2003 has been choked out. Most of us have been ill used but the dream of living in Goa continues for me at least - its just suffered a nasty reality check and like any abuse will take time to undo.
I think the problem has always been with the word "dream". Is anywhere in the world a 'dream'?? and India is a country gradually getting itself out of extreme poverty over the last 60 years. Foreigners, thought to be relatively wealthy will unfortunately always attract the 'sharks' and criminals. Ordinary local people, I know have so much sympathy with expats as they themselves suffer dreadful property problems also, even if different --and they have no other country to go back to!! My opinion of the Congress government is known on this 'thread'. Mr Modi has only had 4 months in office, it is going to take years to make overall changes and he has a lot of priorities. Even with BJP in Goa, Mrs Gandhi was still in charge. I suppose we count ourselves as locals but have never had a "dream", it is taking it as it is. In 1970s with 3 small children I used to dream of decent toilets (and pray for them) on the overnight bus journeys, now there are service stations!! and those same children fly and worry about seatbelts in taxis for our grandchildren!! |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
There has always been a smell of rank hypocrisy around India's policy of allowing the export of its own population to other countries while restricting the legitimate movement of people wishing to live there either for retirement purposes or business.I personally cannot think of a reason to justify this policy on any grounds. You can say its a reaction to over population but the UK is more densely populated than India and we still allow immigration.Post colonial angst is another argument i have heard which doesn't hold water when you look at other countries who have achieved independence and remember its over 67 years ago that India became independent ! So what is the justification for this policy ? Protectionism, patriotism, nationalism or sheer bloody minded hypocrisy based upon arrogance and a rampant inferiority complex against white skin ? Anybody got any ideas ? Its puzzled me for years.
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11439895)
There has always been a smell of rank hypocrisy around India's policy of allowing the export of its own population to other countries while restricting the legitimate movement of people wishing to live there either for retirement purposes or business.I personally cannot think of a reason to justify this policy on any grounds. You can say its a reaction to over population but the UK is more densely populated than India and we still allow immigration.Post colonial angst is another argument i have heard which doesn't hold water when you look at other countries who have achieved independence and remember its over 67 years ago that India became independent ! So what is the justification for this policy ? Protectionism, patriotism, nationalism or sheer bloody minded hypocrisy based upon arrogance and a rampant inferiority complex against white skin ? Anybody got any ideas ? Its puzzled me for years.
There is nothing to stop foreign people living and retiring in India the restriction is on purchasing immoveable property. There is no restriction on renting or inheritance. The restrictions are not just for people of "white skin". Why your obsession with this? If you think the country is so awful why do you and others choose to go and live there? Rules that countries have over immigration etc are specific to that country, not reciprocal. Although the UK had separate rules for those from Commonwealth countries because of colonialism. Many thought of UK as a 'mother country' particularly West Indian people. Which other countries have done better than India post independence?? Have you any idea the problems faced by Indian people buying selling property, losing their property and having to move in with relatives. Losing land to compulsory purchase.????? Thinking these problems only relate to white skin people is surely arrogance, or do you think they should have special favours???? |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Visa problems Bipat and discrimination against British citizens unless you are of Indian origin of course.Its Hindu arrogance that generates this sort of inverted racism against the UK.Its easier to blame us than face the reality that all of India's current problems were caused by themselves.Try living in a country with a 180 day limit. How would you feel if every 189 days you had to take a trip to say Heathrow and then back for another 180 days ? Reciprocity is the basis of diplomacy and good relations.We allow Indian citizens to emigrate to the UK for a number of reasons without restrictions so why cannot India do the same ? completely sick and tired of reading and hearing from people in India how we are to blame for India's problems.That for India to be safe it has to restrict immigration but encourage emigration and the money it brings in too.Remittances etc...Sheer hypocrisy and nothing else explains India's position re visas.Americans get 10 years and X visas i think they are called so why not the UK because we have a much closer relationship with India than the USA. 2 million British people are buried in India!
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11440010)
Visa problems Bipat and discrimination against British citizens unless you are of Indian origin of course.Its Hindu arrogance that generates this sort of inverted racism against the UK.Its easier to blame us than face the reality that all of India's current problems were caused by themselves.Try living in a country with a 180 day limit. How would you feel if every 189 days you had to take a trip to say Heathrow and then back for another 180 days ? Reciprocity is the basis of diplomacy and good relations.We allow Indian citizens to emigrate to the UK for a number of reasons without restrictions so why cannot India do the same ? completely sick and tired of reading and hearing from people in India how we are to blame for India's problems.That for India to be safe it has to restrict immigration but encourage emigration and the money it brings in too.Remittances etc...Sheer hypocrisy and nothing else explains India's position re visas.Americans get 10 years and X visas i think they are called so why not the UK because we have a much closer relationship with India than the USA. 2 million British people are buried in India!
In fact I wouldn't be there without it:lol: OH came to UK for post grad. exams because British hadn't allowed it in India and it took some years to be properly 'up and running' We met in UK. Sorry:lol: Yearly visas are often given now, so I read on this Forum. I agree I can't understand why USA has favours. What is your grouse with Hindus? (Please don't bring up the RSS again!:lol:) They are the majority in the country so I would say again if you don't like them or India why go??? |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
( problems accessing the site keeps freezing ) I have no grouse with Hindus but i do with the way history has been manipulated and distorted by nationalists though.I too cannot understand why the USA gets preferential treatment especially when you consider that for years it supported Pakistan and indeed armed the country with some very sophisticated weaponry, including F16s and Sidewinder air to air missiles.I used to live with a school teacher in Candolim, she was my landlord, and some of the subjects that were taught in schools in Goa defied belief.According to her Darwin should have been burnt at the stake for propagating the idea than man was descended from Apes.She openly called black people N***ers and it was them not Aryans, which were closest to apes.That all Muslims were descended from Untouchables.It was frightening at times to listen to her and she was teaching this hatred openly in the local school.It took Hindu and Catholics.Free speech comes with a very heavy price in India especially when it comes to India's history.Revisionist historians there are having a field day re-writing the past to blot out the Mughal period and its achievements in architecture and literature.... This myopic approach is very dangerous.
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11440049)
There is nothing to stop foreign people living and retiring in India the restriction is on purchasing immoveable property.
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11440049)
Yearly visas are often given now, so I read on this Forum.
AndyD 8-)₹ |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by a_f_d
(Post 11440784)
There are innumerable obstacles to foreigners living, working or retiring in India, not least of which is visas. There is no restriction on foreign residents purchasing residential immoveable property, the overriding problem is getting recognition that you are resident!
Please read more carefully. AndyD 8-)₹ How to be resident if you come initially as a tourist for six months?? You yourself have advised posters to get a longer visa when they are there long term which is what the previous poster was discussing. Yes, you are right my word "often" about yearly visas was wrong but I have read posts from long term renters saying they have got a year visa. Also, at least those who post here seem to want to go back to the UK during monsoon for instance. So getting visas is not a problem for them. Yes there are obstacles to living in India, but it is possible, and easier if renting. Everything you do in India has obstacles!! What is this forum about? people who are living in India isn't it! what are you doing?? My main point was that if it is thought all so awful in India and difficult to stay why try???:confused: (Just a thought what happened to 'Steve' with his '5 year visa' strapped to his chest ):lol: |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11440834)
You know you are splitting hairs. They can only purchase now if resident, that is a restriction!!!
How to be resident if you come initially as a tourist for six months?? You yourself have advised posters to get a longer visa when they are there long term which is what the previous poster was discussing. Yes, you are right my word "often" about yearly visas was wrong but I have read posts from long term renters saying they have got a year visa. Also, at least those who post here seem to want to go back to the UK during monsoon for instance. So getting visas is not a problem for them. Yes there are obstacles to living in India, but it is possible, and easier if renting. Everything you do in India has obstacles!! What is this forum about? people who are living in India isn't it! what are you doing?? My main point was that if it is thought all so awful in India and difficult to stay why try???:confused: (Just a thought what happened to 'Steve' with his '5 year visa' strapped to his chest ):lol: I have lived in India for 15 years. NEVER left. After my X visa expired in 2004, I've never had a visa. A little stamp each year states 'Visa applied for.' Of course I pay for a visa. I decide to leave. FRO to cancel my residency. Immigration at airport take cancelled residency book. Coming back. What visa would I get? Tourist? So your confused! Likewise! I had great intent when I decided to make India my home. The intent dried up as my 13 year court case dragged on. My claim to fame is that I've helped tourists not to repeat my story. Good for them, obviously good for Goa. Like you, I hope Mr. Modi will change India but on present showing it's not going to happen. Talk, and the street sweeping stunt, is cheap. In Todays Papers........ E D are still investigating 400 foreigners (we know why!!) I wonder if they'll investigate Collectors who ignored court orders to register property in a foreigner's name. What do you think. Another little item in todays paper. Racist attacks on Indians from the N E. Prosecution difficult as there is no racist type law in India. What about common assault? Wee finger paining. Davie. |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by davidhendry
(Post 11441049)
...........people who live in India.......So, it would be reasonable to assume you live, or have lived, in India?
I have lived in India for 15 years. NEVER left. After my X visa expired in 2004, I've never had a visa. A little stamp each year states 'Visa applied for.' Of course I pay for a visa. I decide to leave. FRO to cancel my residency. Immigration at airport take cancelled residency book. Coming back. What visa would I get? Tourist? So your confused! Likewise! I had great intent when I decided to make India my home. The intent dried up as my 13 year court case dragged on. My claim to fame is that I've helped tourists not to repeat my story. Good for them, obviously good for Goa. Like you, I hope Mr. Modi will change India but on present showing it's not going to happen. Talk, and the street sweeping stunt, is cheap. In Todays Papers........ E D are still investigating 400 foreigners (we know why!!) I wonder if they'll investigate Collectors who ignored court orders to register property in a foreigner's name. What do you think. Another little item in todays paper. Racist attacks on Indians from the N E. Prosecution difficult as there is no racist type law in India. What about common assault? Wee finger paining. Davie. I was pointing out to PJ that similar situations happen to Indian people also, it is not do to "white skin". They lose their homes, land etc. Modi -in office 4 months!! It is estimated at least 5 years to make major changes! 10 years probably. He has to prioritise To quote president Obama "He wasn't born in a stable". All I read here from others (not yourself) are negative points about India, Indians, domestic tourists etc. etc so why, WHY the urge to live in this country, go somewhere else!!! |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 11441069)
To take your points, I have read your posts before and your situation is specific for yourself and dreadful. Actually mirrors that of relatives who have been fighting cases for years and a much less important situation with our own joint family who have been trying to sell a patch of land for 30 years, (won't bore you with details as to why it is difficult).
I was pointing out to PJ that similar situations happen to Indian people also, it is not do to "white skin". They lose their homes, land etc. Modi -in office 4 months!! It is estimated at least 5 years to make major changes! 10 years probably. He has to prioritise To quote president Obama "He wasn't born in a stable". All I read here from others (not yourself) are negative points about India, Indians, domestic tourists etc. etc so why, WHY the urge to live in this country, go somewhere else!!! Some things he could have tackled; No tainted ministers. His right arm, in parliament is Gadkari. On bail for fake encounter. 160+ MP's with serious charges ranged against them. Both above cry for the overhaul of the justice system. NOW. The clean up India is good, too if it's taken seriously, but it's not. Sonsodo (?) refuse tip in Goa, is beyond words. A huge open air feeding ground for cattle, dogs and mosquitos.. It's so sad seeing millions being wasted. Beer time. Davie. |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by davidhendry
(Post 11441113)
I have the utmost faith in Modi. The malaise from which India suffers will take decades to cure. We can just hope he has the staying power.
Some things he could have tackled; No tainted ministers. His right arm, in parliament is Gadkari. On bail for fake encounter. 160+ MP's with serious charges ranged against them. Both above cry for the overhaul of the justice system. NOW. The clean up India is good, too if it's taken seriously, but it's not. Sonsodo (?) refuse tip in Goa, is beyond words. A huge open air feeding ground for cattle, dogs and mosquitos.. It's so sad seeing millions being wasted. Beer time. Davie. |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by davidhendry
(Post 11441049)
..........In Todays Papers........
E D are still investigating 400 foreigners (we know why!!) ..... Davie. Government issues guidelines on acquiring immovable properties Says Indian citizens residing abroad can buy immovable properties TEAM HERALD PANJIM: Admitting that there have been instances of foreign nationals, including those on tourist visas illegally acquiring immovable properties in Goa, the Goa government has reiterated on Thursday that an Indian citizen resident outside India can acquire immovable property in India other than agricultural land, plantation or a farm house as per existing rules. However, citizens of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, China, Iran, Nepal or Bhutan cannot acquire or transfer immovable property in India without prior permission of the Reserve Bank of India ( RBI). The government guidelines have been released, according to officials after it noticed that foreign nationals, including those on tourist or visitors visa, are illegally acquiring immovable properties in Goa in violation of provisions of the Foreign Exchange Management Acquisition and transfer of Immovable Property in India Regulation 21/ 2000, commonly known as FEMA and other requirements prescribed by the authorities concerned. According to the State government, a foreign company which was established as a branch office or a place of business in India under the FEMA provisions can acquire immovable property if the property is necessary for such activity, provided that all applicable laws, rules, regulation or direction in force are complied with and a declaration is filed with the RBI before 90 days from the date of property acquisition. Also a foreign national residing in India for over 182 days during the preceding financial year for taking up employment or carrying on business/ vocation or for any other purpose intends to stay for an undefined period, can acquire immovable property in India as he would be a “ Person Resident in India’’ under FEMA. But one who is acquiring immovable property has to fulfil the requirements prescribed by the authorities concerned in the State. These instructions have been issued to avoid situations where investors faced with any problems while dealing with transactions in regard to purchase and sale of immovable properties so also when they intend to register the sale deeds before the taluka civilcum- sub registrars in Goa, the direction reads. There have been over 400 cases of properties purchased by foreigners in Goa by prima facie violation of FEMA presently being looked into by the Enforcement Directorate. CLARITY ON FEMA |
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