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Would like to see them Karnatakan and Maharshtran professional beggars put through heavy toll fees for all thos elarge 4 x 4 vehicles they flood into Goa !!

Dread - x

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Yes agree Dread, but the 'toll' system would work, I presume? to keep out these and some of your 'brown underwear brigade' from the busy beaches in the North.
The entry tax system though punishes all, including genuine traders, travellers to the South and --- the sensible types who will find their evening trips to Palolem for dinner more expensive!!!!!

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Always the few spoiling it for the rest. :starsmile:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22267147


UK: Text + Video: Caste discrimination to be outlawed by Equality Act



www.goanvoice.org.uk


23 Apr: BBC. Caste discrimination is to be outlawed in the UK … The House of Lords has voted twice for legal protection to be given to the estimated 400,000 Dalits - so-called untouchables - who live in the UK… caste would in future be treated as "an aspect of race"… The government has asked the Equality and Human Rights Commission to examine the nature of caste prejudice and harassment, and consider what other action might be helpful…

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Iraqi drug dealer who abandoned two children told he can stay in UK because he has a girlfriend (and 'his tattoo of half-naked woman could lead to persecution')


Hesham Mohammed Ali won appeal against Home Secretary Theresa May
Ali, 36, avoided deportation to native Iraq by arguing right to a family life
He met girlfriend in 2005 and has a tattoo of half-naked Western woman
Home Office spends thousands of pounds trying to boot Ali out of Britain


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2RkcTTBNM

Now I suppose there will be a rush by the muslims to have a naked lady tatoo. They are so two faced with their religion. Like to pull the muslim card when it suits them.

The judge should be ashamed of himself, in fact he should be sacked, we pay his enormous wages and should be working for us.

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Bit of a difference, UK government willing to spend time and money to improve the lot of 400,000 Indians in the UK and the Indian government willing to spend time and money to take property from the very few, in comparison, Brits who want to spend their time and money in India.

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K800, caste discrimination is illegal in India surely it should also be illegal in UK? How to enforce in either country is a different matter, like any other discrimination it can be hidden.

Your above statement makes it sound like people choosing to go to India is an act of charity!! My impression from this Forum is that a few go to India to make use of the sun and sand, low cost of living and make some profit and interest on their investments. (Without the slightest interest in Indian history, culture, politics etc. etc. except to criticise)*

The property issue seems to be a 'Goan' problem, not a particular concern of the Central Government. (They do have other priorities).
I know from the reports that many people are sufferering greatly, who intended to retire and/or genuinely to make their life in Goa and are now worried at the threat of losing their only asset a property in India, which they bought in good faith. This is a terrible 'wrong' and Indian people who come to know about this have total sympathy and find difficulty in believing it is happening.

* If I am wrong, where are you all? let us have some actual 'discussions'.

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WTF is the UK coming to ? !!!!! :thumbdown::thumbdown:

Dread - x

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Agree Dread, but regardless of the ruling in the UK he could have gone to Strasbourg, have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the time has come to withdraw from the ECHR.

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I was just pointing out the difference in attitude between the UK government and the Indian (or Goan) government, you seem to read all kinds of meanings into what are straight forward statements and you react as if anything which may be critical of India is a personal insult, this is not meant as an attack on you. The fact is that most British people would have no idea what caste someone of Indian extraction living in the UK is or take any notice of it if they did, it's an Indian thing, so there should be no need for the UK to have this kind of legislation as there is already laws in place for dealing with racial discrimination but it is happening because a need is seen for it. Pointing out that most of us Brits who want to spend time in India are not there to earn money or to live off the country but actually spend money earned in the UK is hardly suggesting that it is an act of charity. Yes it is cheaper to live in India than the UK but that is not why I for one spend time there, I would still go there for the winter if the cost of living there was the same or more than living in the UK simply because I love the country, the people and the weather.

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Hello k800mer

My understanding is, and pls correct me if I am wrong, that yes there is a 'difference'. The "400,000 Indians" you are referring to, are they British citizens or Indian citizens? I presume they are British and so subject to the laws of the land in Britain. And the "Brits who want to spend their time and money in India" are foreigners in India, not Indian citizens, and the law that applies to all foreigners applies to them as well.

AFAIK, foreigners cannot buy properties in India unless they are NRIs as per Reserve Bank of India (RBI) guidelines. That also is regulated and can be done only with the required permissions, etc. As a matter of fact even I, as an Indian national, cannot buy certain properties like agricultural land, as per the law in India unless I am in the Farmer category.

As for the people who did buy homes and land in India, they were probably wrongly advised, and sadly got into a bad deal and situation. They may have also been advised that things can be "managed". That may be ok in the short term but ultimately the Law, as it stands, surely catches up. Much as I am saddened by their plight and the situation they are in, the blame lies with the unscrupulous people who advised them wrongly. These could be their lawyers, builders or maybe even friends and fellow British citizens residing in India and to some extent with the buyers too, especially those that knew what they were doing. It's very sad that a large number of them invested their hard earned money in such properties. But with all that it wouldn't be correct, IMHO, to lay the blame on the Govt of India or the State Govt of Goa or even the investigating agencies. They are only applying the Law.

My Sister who is a British national and resident of the UK, could not, eg, buy Land in Pune although she was getting a very good deal. Our Lawyer categorically mentioned this in the opinion letter she issued to my sister. She even went to the extent of advising that not only would her (sister's) property be liable to confiscation but that she could be declared a "persona non grata" and be denied entry to India in the future. She was getting that piece of land for about Rs 60 lacs in 2011 and the value today is almost 100 lacs. But too bad. The Law didn't allow her to buy it. Now if she had still bought the land and then got into trouble with the authorities in the future, who should she blame? Maybe herself only? Certainly not the State? She would also be in a sad situation. People in such situations then call all sorts of names to the Indian Govt or the concerned authorities, but it would be merely rhetorical, IMHO. If that name calling helps in any way, fine but to me it's frivolous. The Law as it stands, applies. All would agree with that I am sure.

I understand that Dreadsoc and a few others are trying their best to remedy this situation by meetings at the highest level. I do hope something good comes out of it. I wish them, you and all who are affected, all the best.

Cheers

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K800, not sure how personal insult comes into it, it is British people of Indian origin in UK who are discriminating against those of different caste in UK, I am criticising those Indian origin people who discriminate in this way and agreeing that it should be illegal.

My post was general, not a personal insult to yourself, you yourself may "love the Indian people" but do you really read much evidence of this in other posts????
Thinking about it is it possible to love 'A people'? Humans are the same in any nationality ranging from evil to saintly with most ordinary!!!!!

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pardon me for butting in...
you are probably referring to FEMA, which makes no reference to foreigners or Indian citizens - only to residents and non-residents. There are thousands of posts on this and other forums which cover this in minute detail so forgive me but you should try to be better informed before making these comments.
NRIs are not 'foreigners', perhaps you mean PIOs? - and as I already pointed out there are no laws or rules about foreigners buying property in India
That varies from one State to another: in many States there is no restriction on residents buying agricultural property.
some may have been but most weren't, not even the lawyers expected the Goa govt. to act unlawfully and close the Registry.
Well that is exactly the problem - they are NOT applying the law - why not read it for yourself?
I assume that your sister could not buy property because she did not meet the definition of 'person resident in India', the vast majority of Brits who have bought property in Goa (or their Company) did meet the definition.
thank you.

AndyD

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Well said Andy......... was tempted to try to respond but felt you would do it better, and you did.

A long time since I have read such an inaccurate, poorly informed post on here, almost a hint of Je ne sais quoi, in there......... if you know what I mean.


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Thank you Andy. excellent :goodpost: