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According to today's Herald there has been a massive drop in the number of foreign tourists this year 'because the Russians aren't coming'.
Correction - because the Russians aren't coming either. AndyD 8-)₹ |
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Its funny that not one Indian media source has zeroed in on one possible cause of foreign tourist decline in in traveling to Goa for a holiday and thats the absolutely disgusting behavior of domestic tourists when they arrive in Bollywood Goa of their dreams....wonder why ? Falling value of the Ruble, hm ?
Excessive Visa charges, hm ? Congested roads and beaches full of crap and broken bottles, hm ? Nullahs full of sewage and garbage, hm ? The pristine white sands of Goan beaches, romantic drinks watching the incoming tide and the sun setting on a blue sea, sitting in a shack with a cool breeze blowing across the water.....who ever wrote that must be either on drugs or being paid huge amounts of wonga for something that is pure rubbish.Baga should be renamed Garbagagage on Sea because in reality that is what it has become.The creek has become an open sewer and the area behind the hotel an open toilet, despite the fact there is a public toilet there.Take your pick of the above but foreign tourists know when they are being conned out of their hard earned money by being sold a bum deal of a holiday in brochures written by some one on LSD..... |
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11499153)
... The pristine white sands of Goan beaches, romantic drinks watching the incoming tide and the sun setting on a blue sea, sitting in a shack with a cool breeze blowing across the water.........
http://britishexpats.com/photopost/d...m/pallolem.jpg http://britishexpats.com/photopost/d.../pallolem1.jpg http://britishexpats.com/photopost/d.../pallolem2.jpg AndyD 8-)₹ |
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11499153)
Its funny that not one Indian media source has zeroed in on one possible cause of foreign tourist decline in in traveling to Goa for a holiday and thats the absolutely disgusting behavior of domestic tourists when they arrive in Bollywood Goa of their dreams....wonder why ? Falling value of the Ruble, hm ?
Excessive Visa charges, hm ? Congested roads and beaches full of crap and broken bottles, hm ? Nullahs full of sewage and garbage, hm ? The pristine white sands of Goan beaches, romantic drinks watching the incoming tide and the sun setting on a blue sea, sitting in a shack with a cool breeze blowing across the water.....who ever wrote that must be either on drugs or being paid huge amounts of wonga for something that is pure rubbish.Baga should be renamed Garbagagage on Sea because in reality that is what it has become.The creek has become an open sewer and the area behind the hotel an open toilet, despite the fact there is a public toilet there.Take your pick of the above but foreign tourists know when they are being conned out of their hard earned money by being sold a bum deal of a holiday in brochures written by some one on LSD..... Yes the behaviour of some is apparently disgusting and 'some' in India will aways be 'many'. How did it start??? European Hippies in the 60s, relatives used to ask me "who are these hippies with their disgusting behaviour, even the girls taking off their clothes and using drugs, where are their parents":lol: It started from there and the tourist industry flourished to make money but as you say unless the North is cleaned up and organised it will fail. Gokarna beach area is going the same way. South Goa is still there just keep the foreigners away from Karwar:lol: |
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Mr Putin making friends though, maybe the Russian tourists will return!!!
BBC News - Indian media: Putin's visit revives ties Many agreements were made by the previous government. Russian built aircraft carriers already there, 'parked' south of Goa. |
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Bit like scraping the barrel you mean.There will always be some who return to Goa, year after year but they are getting fewer and fewer because lets face the truth without generalizing too much or displaying too much bias.From Candolim to Chapora is one huge garbage dump and the south is heading that way too.I have friends who have been almost resident in Palolim for 20 years and they have packed up and left because of of the huge influx Indian Tourists crapping the place up as they always do.If you go to Thailand or Viet Nam the locals respect tourists.Sure you will always get beach hawkers and hustlers but not on the scale you get in Goa.I wish you would stop defending Indian Tourists behavior Bipat because it makes you look stupid and extremely nationalistic because the truth is that 90% of them should be ticketed for littering,ie making the place look like Garbage-on Sea.Baga is an obscenity....fueled by greed and indifference of the locals that allow this to happen in the first place.With Goans its money first, environment a poor second...would you swap your home here in the UK for a villa in Calingute ?I very much doubt it.
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11500253)
Bit like scraping the barrel you mean.There will always be some who return to Goa, year after year but they are getting fewer and fewer because lets face the truth without generalizing too much or displaying too much bias.From Candolim to Chapora is one huge garbage dump and the south is heading that way too.I have friends who have been almost resident in Palolim for 20 years and they have packed up and left because of of the huge influx Indian Tourists crapping the place up as they always do.If you go to Thailand or Viet Nam the locals respect tourists.Sure you will always get beach hawkers and hustlers but not on the scale you get in Goa.I wish you would stop defending Indian Tourists behavior Bipat because it makes you look stupid and extremely nationalistic because the truth is that 90% of them should be ticketed for littering,ie making the place look like Garbage-on Sea.Baga is an obscenity....fueled by greed and indifference of the locals that allow this to happen in the first place.With Goans its money first, environment a poor second...would you swap your home here in the UK for a villa in Calingute ?I very much doubt it.
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Originally Posted by chrisjolly
(Post 11500298)
I agree... We went to Anands restaurant last night near Arpora and several Indian tourists got out of their MH cars drunk already!
The distances in India some travel; Goa is actually something of a 'foreign country' particularly with its easy access to alcohol. Why not avoid North Goa beaches? Plenty of other parts of Goa to spend your time. We have not been to North Goa for must be 15-20 years, although OH suggests going there to see what it has become, after me reading out these posts. |
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11500253)
Bit like scraping the barrel you mean.There will always be some who return to Goa, year after year but they are getting fewer and fewer because lets face the truth without generalizing too much or displaying too much bias.From Candolim to Chapora is one huge garbage dump and the south is heading that way too.I have friends who have been almost resident in Palolim for 20 years and they have packed up and left because of of the huge influx Indian Tourists crapping the place up as they always do.If you go to Thailand or Viet Nam the locals respect tourists.Sure you will always get beach hawkers and hustlers but not on the scale you get in Goa.I wish you would stop defending Indian Tourists behavior Bipat because it makes you look stupid and extremely nationalistic because the truth is that 90% of them should be ticketed for littering,ie making the place look like Garbage-on Sea.Baga is an obscenity....fueled by greed and indifference of the locals that allow this to happen in the first place.With Goans its money first, environment a poor second...would you swap your home here in the UK for a villa in Calingute ?I very much doubt it.
Yes Palolem is more crowded now and much altered but this is mainly in my opinion because of influx of foreign tourists. There are other beaches. Yes, about money grabbing, but Goan relatives complain that there are "few Goans left in Goa"!! Although they are not concerned with tourist industry and are probably exaggerating. No, I wouldn't swap our home in Karwar for a villa anywhere in Goa. If we wanted a holiday place it would be in the south Goa . Karwar has only domestic tourists I have never seen the behavior you describe above. PS question from reading other threads on BE. Why is nationalism exhibited by the British people praised, but in Indian people a dreadful sin???:confused: |
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Integration seems to be a foreign word to some communities from the far east here in the UK.I have always regarded my neighbors as British although one comes from Bangladesh and the other from the USA.In the USA immigration works well because you are expected get on with your new life the American way and integrate .Here we have been saddled with a concept called Multiculturalism and it comes through in your texts on this forum so much Bipat. You cannot let go of the mother country for love nor money.When i first appeared in Baga 25 years ago the place was beautiful, then 5 years later i was having a drink with Jungle Barry in Bobs Inn and it was announced in The Herald that the Konkan Railway was going to be built and Barry said very prophetically that Goa was finished.It will become a suburb of Mumbai.....That is what it has become, the coastal strip anyway.Crime dirt squaller which no amount of photo doctoring can eradicate. Tourists look at the brochures, book their holiday and the reality hits them straight between the eyes.Its a rip off, pure & simple.If your a 5 star tourist you never leave the hotel premises, its designed for that purpose
because outside its chaos. Every government that Goa has had in the past 20 years have all filled their collective pockets and holidayed in Dubai. Meanwhile there has been no investment in infrastructure at all.Tourists see this when they walk from their hotels and discover there is no pavement and they are expected to share the roads with drunken drivers or mafia minded taxi drivers hustling them to death because they need the money to pay the hire purchase price of their taxi.You need to stop defending and become more critical because its the only way something will be eventually done about the mess that is Goa today.Here is one instance. What normal minded Tourism Minister would allow 2 mega festivals to occur within 10 days of each other at the peak time of the season when its already filled to capacity without some sort of bung being involved ? |
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11501046)
Integration seems to be a foreign word to some communities from the far east here in the UK.I have always regarded my neighbors as British although one comes from Bangladesh and the other from the USA.In the USA immigration works well because you are expected get on with your new life the American way and integrate .Here we have been saddled with a concept called Multiculturalism and it comes through in your texts on this forum so much Bipat. You cannot let go of the mother country for love nor money.When i first appeared in Baga 25 years ago the place was beautiful, then 5 years later i was having a drink with Jungle Barry in Bobs Inn and it was announced in The Herald that the Konkan Railway was going to be built and Barry said very prophetically that Goa was finished.It will become a suburb of Mumbai.....That is what it has become, the coastal strip anyway.Crime dirt squaller which no amount of photo doctoring can eradicate. Tourists look at the brochures, book their holiday and the reality hits them straight between the eyes.Its a rip off, pure & simple.If your a 5 star tourist you never leave the hotel premises, its designed for that purpose
because outside its chaos. Every government that Goa has had in the past 20 years have all filled their collective pockets and holidayed in Dubai. Meanwhile there has been no investment in infrastructure at all.Tourists see this when they walk from their hotels and discover there is no pavement and they are expected to share the roads with drunken drivers or mafia minded taxi drivers hustling them to death because they need the money to pay the hire purchase price of their taxi.You need to stop defending and become more critical because its the only way something will be eventually done about the mess that is Goa today.Here is one instance. What normal minded Tourism Minister would allow 2 mega festivals to occur within 10 days of each other at the peak time of the season when its already filled to capacity without some sort of bung being involved ? Can you not see beyond the borders of north Goa?? Part of a tiny State. You speak of "domestic tourists" as though they only visit north Goa. Yes, a minority eg the young with money and thoughts of alcohol and girls go there doesn't it remind you of Magaluf etc???? Indian people have always been great travellers/tourists but actually most don't have ambitions of sitting on a beach getting a tan!! I know you post on Indiamike, you don't have to go far just look for one example at the Karnataka site and view the questions there (apart from the usuals going to Gokarna beach) and see people's travel plans. The Konkan railway has opened up travel for many Goans and also those from Karnataka, it doesn't just go one way or just to Goa? What about Mangalore??? and further connections?? It stops at Karwar everyone was delighted and took photos of the station (including us) they had waited so long for it. Unfortunately it only stops for two minutes so getting on and off with luggage is a trauma. One benefit rickshaws coming back empty from the station pass our house so no problem going out of the house and straight get transport to town:thumbsup: What has all this to do with integration in UK and your neighbours??????? Your are a British expat in Goa have you let go of the mother country? I presume you are fluent in Konkani:lol: (I am not fluent in speech even after four decades:o) |
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You have neatly side stepped everything i wrote and the main part was the ruination of a beautiful state by opening the doors without any thought other than filling their fat wallets with Gandhi's, which you seem to approve of ! Goa was discovered by over-land back packers and ruined by mass tourism, same as Thailand.The only difference was the Thais were clever enough, despite levels of corruption that would bring gasps of admiration from Delhi, to deal with the infrastructure needed to deal with mass tourism.India in that respect, despite the brains available ignored it completely.Karnatika is a huge state though but it has never needed tourists because it has industry.
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11501137)
You have neatly side stepped everything i wrote and the main part was the ruination of a beautiful state by opening the doors without any thought other than filling their fat wallets with Gandhi's, which you seem to approve of ! Goa was discovered by over-land back packers and ruined by mass tourism, same as Thailand.The only difference was the Thais were clever enough, despite levels of corruption that would bring gasps of admiration from Delhi, to deal with the infrastructure needed to deal with mass tourism.India in that respect, despite the brains available ignored it completely.Karnatika is a huge state though but it has never needed tourists because it has industry.
OH's family were travelling to Goa during time of Portuguese they would have been glad of proper roads!! Everything has two sides, we were grateful when the bridge was built, and ease of getting into (south Goa) but it means heavy lorries going along beach road day and night and difficult to cross. As to my "side stepping" to quote myself "North Goa is a disgrace" what more to say. Yes, I agree with what you say about money grabbing much of it from entrepreneurs from outside Goa. Again to quote myself, old Goans saying "No Goans left in Goa". "Beautiful State" yes but most of the people had been kept poor by the Portuguese as all colonies usually were. "Ruined by mass tourism" it always happens! When one person likes a place others follow it happens everywhere. Have you been to Lands End UK recently? Anyway why do you still go there? you have a solution nobody is forcing you. We go because it is 'our place' and we still enjoy the South. |
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Originally Posted by prestonjohn
(Post 11501046)
need to stop defending and become more critical because its the only way something will be eventually done about the mess
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Originally Posted by a_f_d
(Post 11501178)
+1
I am not sure how saying "North Goa is a disgrace" is defending? "We never now go there" is defending? "young wanting alcohol and girls as the types going to Magaluf" is defending? Can you explain how by being more critical anyone can single handedly do anything about North Goa? (We have no friends or relatives in the tourist industry to influence, those going for a holiday do not go to the North!!) |
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