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k800mer Aug 31st 2013 11:02 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by Return of Santan (Post 10880233)
:goodpost: :confused: I don't know who has posted the best reply to the usual "blame someone else gov" crap that comes out of Goa, J5, afd or prestonjohn, yes things haven't changed that much since 1996 - except for the worse and when are the much vaunted 5* tourists going to turn up ? :rofl:

RofS

You will not get 5* tourists spending money in the beach shacks, they stay in their 5* hotels or would if there were any. Some of the so called 5* hotels have a nice reception area and ok bedrooms but they are not really 5* I know, I have either stayed in some of them or eaten in their restaurants. I have stayed in a 4* in Mauritius which was a much higher quality hotel with better service than any I have come across in Goa.

Bipat Aug 31st 2013 11:44 pm

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Originally Posted by prestonjohn (Post 10880158)
I have just read the article in today The Observer.Most of it was the usual rubbish re-hashed from previous articles and with some comments from the Goan Shack owners motor mouth John Lobo about how British pensioners sharing a tea bag...pathetic....Have just arrived back from Tenerife and its pretty obvious where quite a number of the missing Brits have gone and why they have gone too.Britsh tourists were originally attracted to Goa because of its charm and never mind the dust and occasional rubbish heap.The beaches in Goa were never up to the standards of say The Caribbean. But at least you could sun bathe without too much hassle.Now with the advent of cheep domestic tourism via car ownership and coaches the place has suffered what can only be described as tectonic shift in direction for which Goa was completely unprepared for courtesy of stupid idiotic politicians of all parties. One example comes to mind Mikky Pacheco. 21st century tourists from Europe want clean streets, clean beaches and clean water and unadulterated food and Goa cannot deliver any of them because of inbred corruption at every level of life from reporting a crime to catching a taxi. The Goan Tourist Department have adopted a policy of there is an idiot born somewhere every minute of every day on this planet.They are actively flogging Goa all over the old Soviet Union Republics and these are certainly not high rollers that Parikar keeps twaddling on about.They are extremely low budget package holiday tourists who will travel to Goa maybe twice and then its off to Spain because there its now even cheaper and better value too. Who wants to have to negotiate there way to the beach through piles of rubbish and heaps of human waste.Drunken Indian youths making sexual and racist slurs....no one with any brains that is.High Rollers coming to Goa ! Its the biggest joke i have read in years.Clean up Goa..wow..you need to start at grass roots with Goans taking responsibility for their own spaces and keeping their compounds clean first but knowing the Goan character so well i know this is just another of Parikers pipe dreams...next time i see him in Panjim i must remember to ask what he smokes because i would love to try some of the stuff.......

Would agree with much of what you have said, but this 'story' has happened to some extent world over.

There are also two sides to everything, we would never now spend time in North Goa, but many find the South too quiet. Even there it is changing fast, a niece visiting Palolem after some years practically wept at the sight of the change to "her" Palolem.
You may see only the cheaper opportunities for the many undoubted 'riff-raff' domestic tourists, but OH often remarks "how good it is to see so many more Indian people able to travel now".

You mentioned Spain, we spent our honeymoon in Sitges, a wonderful beach, we rushed everyday to hear Massenet's meditation played from a church tower, went back years later with the children --horror at the changes, the church derelict.
My home county of Norfolk, again, Hemsby with the best ever beach, now just caravan parks and amusement arcades, and plenty of garbage but--- people are enjoying it, why shouldn't they? but still sad for us.

What puzzles me is that, if it is so awful? why, why are so many on the 'Forum' still making a fuss about visas and wanting to go back to Goa???

prestonjohn Sep 1st 2013 12:21 am

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I for one do not stay in Goa nor do i want to for 6 months.India is quite big and as for Spain and The Canaries Islands....well i have never read The Daily Mail in my life and the people who do, i dislike intensively.This season i intend to travel To Gawahti in Assam, maybe try to get to Shillong again without the bloody Indian Army playing at silly buggers and shutting the roads down because some one has thrown a coconut at them....!

a_f_d Sep 1st 2013 12:52 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10880301)
.....What puzzles me is that, if it is so awful? why, why are so many on the 'Forum' still making a fuss about visas and wanting to go back to Goa???

Well we go (that's the married we not the royal we <g>) because the climate is pleasant at those times when the English weather is at its worst, the cost of living is a little lower, the food is cosmopolitan and the Goans (particularly but not exclusively those living away from the tourist areas) are easy-going, friendly, helpful people who nearly all speak English and are prepared to accept that we speak nothing else.

AndyD 8-)

Return of Santan Sep 1st 2013 1:45 am

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"What puzzles me is that, if it is so awful? why, why are so many on the 'Forum' still making a fuss about visas and wanting to go back to Goa???"

Unfortunately many on this forum made a "gross error of judgement" in "buying" property there and consequently return out of necessity

RofS

chrisjolly Sep 1st 2013 2:01 am

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10880393)
Well we go (that's the married we not the royal we <g>) because the climate is pleasant at those times when the English weather is at its worst, the cost of living is a little lower, the food is cosmopolitan and the Goans (particularly but not exclusively those living away from the tourist areas) are easy-going, friendly, helpful people who nearly all speak English and are prepared to accept that we speak nothing else.

AndyD 8-)₹

Absolutely agree Andy..Goa has changed like everywhere does but we still love it and every year we make more friends and have more fun..going back just in time for the Lusofonia Games and IFFI..where can you go and watch basketball and an offbeat South Korean film on the same day?? well apart from a film about basketball in Seoul!

Bipat Sep 1st 2013 2:08 am

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by Return of Santan (Post 10880464)
"What puzzles me is that, if it is so awful? why, why are so many on the 'Forum' still making a fuss about visas and wanting to go back to Goa???"

Unfortunately many on this forum made a "gross error of judgement" in "buying" property there and consequently return out of necessity

RofS

I know there are exceptions, but judging by posts I have read, people seem to have been able to sell their properties.

Bipat Sep 1st 2013 2:15 am

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Originally Posted by chrisjolly (Post 10880491)
Absolutely agree Andy..Goa has changed like everywhere does but we still love it and every year we make more friends and have more fun..going back just in time for the Lusofonia Games and IFFI..where can you go and watch basketball and an offbeat South Korean film on the same day?? well apart from a film about basketball in Seoul!

I also agree, we grumble and the changes to the tourist areas are immense but we still always enjoy our time there. At this moment looking at prices to book our flights for first week October.

johnny five Sep 1st 2013 9:12 am

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First time I've found anything by Pachu Menon for a very long time.

Well written as always, but has his view changed totally......... or is it just me?


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danbushell Sep 3rd 2013 3:02 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/13083...ach-shack-jobs
think people will soon find ways around this!!

Chameleons Sep 3rd 2013 3:33 pm

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I thought this was always the case anyway:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/13083...ach-shack-jobs



Chameleons.

hemingway Sep 4th 2013 6:00 am

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A couple of links which may be of interest:

http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details...t=9%2f4%2f2013

http://www.business-standard.com/art...0400593_1.html

Courtesy of www.goanvoice.org

Regards

H.

babu1 Sep 4th 2013 6:07 am

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http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details...t=9%2f4%2f2013

Herald Editorial

Goan family land dispute in Santa Cruz ends in 2 family members murdered..........so, guess what???........it's all down to those nasty foreigners who've been buying up property "with impunity", why don't they go check the facts?

Racist journalism or what?

(H, our posts crossed)

GermanFool Sep 4th 2013 6:27 am

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I think it's xenophobia, not necessarily racism, although both are probably just two different flavours of the basically same thing... :unsure:
Unhealthy nationalism it is for sure. I find it scary.
It's so easy to blame everyone else for oneself's own mistakes.
Recently, it seems like they (RBI, Government etc.) reliably keep doing the wrong thing at the worst possible time.

This one's not from today's newspapers but I thought I'd post it anyway:
http://www.economist.com/news/leader...er-be-bold-how

EDIT:
That was not not link I wanted to post (which I just saw is in German), but the other one isn't completely off topic either...

again EDIT:
This would be a google translation of what I wanted to post originally:
http://www.google.com/translate?hl=e...-a-908925.html

a_f_d Sep 4th 2013 9:56 am

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by Chameleons (Post 10884633)
I thought this was always the case anyway:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/13083...ach-shack-jobs



Chameleons.

yes of course -

The policy stops any foreigner from owning, running or even working in beach shacks serving food and drink, irrespective of whether they hold Indian employment visas.
There is absolutely no way a foreigner could get an employment visa for such a job - no Indians able to do it? salary >$25,000?

Owning and running a restaurant on a Business visa is different... but, I suspect, just as unwelcome.

AndyD


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