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Bipat Aug 8th 2013 11:59 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by prestonjohn (Post 10842399)
Some times i think the whole foreign to property scandal is just a smoke screen to keep peoples attention away from the real scandal which is how much black money has been hidden in Goa by buying property.There is no National Land Register in India, unlike the UK, so its quite easy to buy villas and apartments, especially if they are in gated communities with guards.No chance of them being squatted.In Riviera Palm 2 there are at least 5 apartments that have never had a resident at all. My friend leased on from a Delhi investor and he said it was completely unused in the flat.Everything was still in its original rapping paper.At one time in Goa you used to get a certificate of exchange when you changed money or you went to Mapsua Market now you just pop into calingute and Bobs your uncle.No record at all. Millions of pounds, dollars and Euros just vanish into thin air.....wonder where it ends up ?

PJ, black money is transferred in property sales throughout India. The great difficulty comes in selling a property if you don't want a proportion of black money eg. older people who have less ways of using it and foreigners such as ourselves.

Land register is computerised now.

Certainly elsewhere from Goa 'squatting' is an ongoing problem, people once inside your property you would never get it back (without force!!!) and that can include non rent paying tenants.

a_f_d Aug 9th 2013 1:04 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10842443)
....

Land register is computerised now....

Where?

AndyD 8-)

prestonjohn Aug 9th 2013 2:17 am

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If black money flows in from say Patna in Bihar, and is invested in property in Goa with the deeds going into a safety deposit box in a bank in Panjim. The property might be registered to them in Goa but as far as Patna is concerned it doesnt exist unless some one tells them.I find it quite strange that some one would buy say 4 flats and keep them empty for over 5 years then suddenly start to rent them out but only to foreigners ! stinks of money laundering to high heaven.Yet the authorities take a blind eye to this and persecute evil Europeans to get press space in the local rags to cover up whats really been going on.Maybe that's why there is no national land register, it would be too embarrassing for certain people, especially in The Congress Party and The BJP too.The same situation is occurring in Tamil Nadu as gated high rise communities are mushrooming along the coast around Chennai. New ones appearing monthly while Chennai slowly rots from low investment and bad government.

babu1 Aug 9th 2013 2:26 am

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Goa : http://dslr.goa.nic.in/

http://dslr.goa.nic.in/f114new.aspx Form I & XIV

http://dslr.goa.nic.in/mutstatf114.aspx Mutation Status

Land Survey Records were promised to go online. Regional Plan 2011 is available in map form, as is the Master Gazette which lists all the survey plots which have permamently been rezoned to 'Settlement'.

I tried 3 times last month without success to get a look at the Regional Plan 2021 proposals which the Chief Minister promised in the media would be available to all at their local Panchayat throughout July

Calangute Panchayat had a Gram Sabha meeting on 28th. July but this was a closed meeting. Can't get a sensible word out of anyone like it's none of my foreigner business - I mean, I only pay House Tax at 1,000 R/- a year and my neighbours with larger properties are levied at 20 R/-, though they rarely even pay (according to the ledger)! - that's a 5,000% skin tax and I've been paying it for 9 years now!

Bipat Aug 9th 2013 3:04 am

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Originally Posted by babu1 (Post 10842696)
Goa : http://dslr.goa.nic.in/

http://dslr.goa.nic.in/f114new.aspx Form I & XIV

http://dslr.goa.nic.in/mutstatf114.aspx Mutation Status

Land Survey Records were promised to go online. Regional Plan 2011 is available in map form, as is the Master Gazette which lists all the survey plots which have permamently been rezoned to 'Settlement'.

I tried 3 times last month without success to get a look at the Regional Plan 2021 proposals which the Chief Minister promised in the media would be available to all at their local Panchayat throughout July

Calangute Panchayat had a Gram Sabha meeting on 28th. July but this was a closed meeting. Can't get a sensible word out of anyone like it's none of my foreigner business - I mean, I only pay House Tax at 1,000 R/- a year and my neighbours with larger properties are levied at 20 R/-, though they rarely even pay (according to the ledger)! - that's a 5,000% skin tax and I've been paying it for 9 years now!

From what I have read; online register has been introduced state by state.

2,000 R/- approx. is the House Tax for our Karwar house but B-in-law pays by cheque. (He has brown skin).

May be the 20 R/- in the ledger is only part of that given, the rest goes in the strategically placed bucket!!!!!

a_f_d Aug 9th 2013 4:29 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10842767)
From what I have read; online register has been introduced state by state.

2,000 R/- approx. is the House Tax for our Karwar house but B-in-law pays by cheque. (He has brown skin).

May be the 20 R/- in the ledger is only part of that given, the rest goes in the strategically placed bucket!!!!!

In Goa Form I & XIV are available in online form, but that is not the Land Registry.
In my experience House Tax depends on the age of the property, we pay a quite trivial amount.

AndyD 8-)

babu1 Aug 9th 2013 6:19 am

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10842901)
In my experience House Tax depends on the age of the property, we pay a quite trivial amount.

AndyD 8-)₹

Counter to my knowledge and experience where a nearby 20 room guesthouse/hotel pays 1,200R/- per annum, it's only been standing 4 years as a complete newbuild and I'm guessing this is supposed to be a commercial rate which has been levied. The survey plot area and FAR are massively more than mine.

Just one example out of many.

My house at 1,000 R/- predates many of the properties at 20R/-.

I suppose each Panchayat takes a different approach.

At least they placed my letter of change of ownership stamped as on file and they take the annual House Tax with receipt given and no complaint.

Does such a thing as a Land Registry exist beyond the old Cadastral Plans, Survey Plans, and Form I & XIV ???

a_f_d Aug 9th 2013 10:11 am

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Originally Posted by babu1 (Post 10843073)
....

Does such a thing as a Land Registry exist beyond the old Cadastral Plans, Survey Plans, and Form I & XIV ???

Yes! - the official records of the [Sub]-Registrars!!!!!

AndyD 8-)

babu1 Aug 10th 2013 12:09 am

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Of course........those tattered ledgers and decomposing documents we all had to fight our way to the front of the orderly queue (ahem!!) to sign in triplicate!

hemingway Aug 10th 2013 3:42 am

Recent events in Zanzibar
 
If this event (the end of Ramadan - NOT the location):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23645708

Had taken place before two 18 year old British Girls had decided to sing in the street in Stone Town, Zanzibar, would this even have happened:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23645138

The key words that are mentioned yet again are: Muslims & radicals.

Just a beyond normal comprehension horrendous event. :thumbdown:

H.

Bipat Aug 13th 2013 4:17 am

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Modi invited to visit UK.

If he becomes PM, surely can't be worse than Dr Singh, and at least capable of giving a speech without reading it!!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i.../21803573.cms?

Bipat Aug 13th 2013 7:25 pm

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Thought I would add, to the above, the link below, before PJ comes on, I know he dislikes Modi.

I saw the NDTV interview yesterday with link up to MP Gardiner. Pro -Congress Nidhi Razdan was 'told off' for taking over the interview.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/21811288.cms

Bipat Aug 13th 2013 7:43 pm

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Submarine disaster in Mumbai port.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...lors-dead.html

a_f_d Aug 13th 2013 7:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10848903)
Modi ..... at least capable of giving a speech without reading it!!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i.../21803573.cms?

particularly if it's an incitement to riot!

AndyD

Bipat Aug 13th 2013 8:07 pm

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10849945)
particularly if it's an incitement to riot!

AndyD

Isn't that just what Congress are doing by dividing AP State? Then they will have to postpone the election.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-...1-1099224.aspx

(Modi was exonerated by Supreme Court 3 times).


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