scrubbedexpat091

Do Canadian courts do emergency injunctions to stop government policies while it winds through court?

Not sure how it works in Canada, often in the US a judge will grant an injunction blocking a government policy while it works it's way through the courts.

DigitalGhost

No idea. This policy hasn't even been publicly formalised yet anyway so I'm sure they'd need to wait for that before starting any legal action.

scrubbedexpat091

I imagine so.

Hard to file suit against something without knowing the specifics.

Jerseygirl

DG I just wanted to say I am sorry that you are having to go through all this. I know how stressed you have been these last few months and just when you are about to move back to Canada, more sh*t has hit the pan.

DigitalGhost

Thanks JG, I really appreciate it. It's definitely a difficult decision and my mind is all over the place atm really. I'm sure I'm not the only person in this position though and there will be many others worse off than me. I have the money to cover the quarantine hotel fee if I had to, although it would seem extraordinarily wasteful, but many others won't have that luxury and will also have employment worries and families to feed.

Jerseygirl

I wish you all the very best, no matter what you decide. Good luck. Perhaps you will come to one of our BE meet-up groups at Scotland Yard. When that will be is anyone’s guess!

DigitalGhost

If I do decide to proceed with this then I'd love to and that sounds like a great plan to me.

Thanks to everyone in this thread for your kind and supportive words over the last couple of days. I don't think I've ever faced many more difficult decisions in my life than I have this weekend.

DigitalGhost

On a related note, I'm usually very much of the "allow people to make their own decisions" group as many others on here will know, but when I read this earlier today, my blood did get a few degrees closer to boiling point.

https://www.traveloffpath.com/canadi...-u-s-airlines/

The fact that Canada is still allowing people to do this but then punishing new immigrants and those returning from emergency travel with both financial and human penalties for the mistakes of others is quite frankly appalling.

Jerseygirl

What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger. I am a great believer in those words. When the chips are down and everything seems to be against you, it’s then when you realise just how strong you are.

scrubbedexpat091

I wonder what the solution is other than outright banning US airlines from serving Canadian airports, which could open a diplomatic can of worms, the other option is to convince the US to ban Canadian's from flying via the US that would work as well, closing that loophole.

DigitalGhost

Yeah and tbh I've been trying to tell myself that for months but this one has knocked me for six. When I last moved to Canada, it was with my former fiancee and we were still together when I became a landed immigrant but broke up around 6 months later. We had planned on moving back to Canada together but obviously that didn't happen. This would be the first time in my life that I ever moved to a new country alone.

My current girlfriend, who has been working in Australia since just before the pandemic, does also have a job offer in Canada but it's a research position and isn't due to start until 2022.

I have discussed it with my parents who have been totally supportive about everything and I've always been of the opinion that no overseas move has to be permanent as long as you have a few hundred quid at your disposal to buy a one way ticket home but I am very worried about this. My job would require me to work from home in Canada for the foreseeable future and although I've already discussed some volunteering opportunities over there as a way to occupy free time and socialise (such as someone can atm) and I'd like to get a dog as soon as I have a place to live sorted out, I'm worried about becoming very isolated and lonely over there.

Jerseygirl

Unless you are very sociable IMO it can be lonely. We ‘click’ with our friends back home...even though we left 25 years ago. Never had that sort of friendship since leaving the UK.

You are young...give it a try. If not now perhaps later. England and your family will always be there...just a plane ride away. You can always go home.

DigitalGhost

There probably isn't one. Canada has treated the US with exception since last March, even when the US was essentially the worst hotbed of covid infection on earth. Although I'm no fan of Trudeau, I always took an understanding opinion on that because there was a mentalist in the white house at the time and the Canadian government had to consider their most important diplomatic relationship post-pandemic and tread very carefully.

What annoys me that much of those problems are no longer the case. American politics are resuming some semblance of normality and these new Canadian border policies are going to largely punish the wrong people.

Someone with a Canadian passport or PR flying from Canada to the DR via the US will have much less to worry about because, even if they fail a pre-flight infection test upon return, they can just hire a car and drive back to the land border and Canada cannot possibly refuse them. I'm not sure how hotel quarantine can really be enforced at the land crossings either because it could be a logistical quagmire.
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As far as I'm concerned, the fees for this at least should be discretionary once they have been finalised. If you're returning from 10 days in Miami or Holguin and it's clear you only left for a bit of winter sun then yes, you should face the consequences for that. But it seems entirely unfair to slap a new immigrant family with what is essentially a fine because their COPR was due to expire and they had no choice but to fly.

DigitalGhost

And that's what I've been telling myself ever since I received this job offer. I'm extremely fortunate in that the job would be step upwards, both career wise and financially. My new employer have also offered me unlimited annual leave on the condition that I don't try to abuse it.

With that in mind, I was planning to come back home for Christmas, no matter the cost. I suppose I could still do that but I'd be afraid to book it in case this hotel quarantine thing is still in place in December and it affects my ability to work.

The last time I lived in Canada, I did struggle with loneliness, especially at first, but that's because my ex was a chef and we both worked different hours. That became less of an issue as I started to socialise more with people from work and also grew more used to Toronto as the backdrop of my life. Obviously work socialising wouldn't really be a thing in my new job, at least not in person and for the foreseeable future anyway. That's one of the reasons why I'd promised myself a puppy as a sort of house warming present out of my first paycheck.

BristolUK

I made a general comment that things are pretty much normal because of the measures they had taken.
As examples I gave the Rugby Championship they hosted a few months ago - with spectators in attendance, the tennis open they are about to host - with spectators - and their offer to host the British Lions vs South Africa test series - with spectators - because of the difficulties in SA and UK of holding the matches, let alone with spectators.

Being able to go about your business without having to consider how much you can travel around, what businesses you may go to, using restaurants and attending major sporting events like we all used to be able to do is pretty much normal.

Boiler came along to troll/be negative/exaggerate as usual.

But the response of the authorities is not a whim, it's an example of how they keep life pretty much normal.