Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Jan 31st 2021, 3:15 am
#736
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
The system for farm workers worked fine here.
Granted, some of them contracted covid after leaving quarantine, but very little seemed to get out into the general population.
BC really depends on these migrant workers who come back year after year to the same place.
Otherwise farmers don't get their crops sown, tended or harvested, 'cos most Canadians won't do it.
For us, it is food crops ............. no workers, no veggies or fruit.
Apple orchards are popular summer work with many Quebecers
For Ontario, it seems to be tobacco in one region, and food crops in others.
Granted, some of them contracted covid after leaving quarantine, but very little seemed to get out into the general population.
BC really depends on these migrant workers who come back year after year to the same place.
Otherwise farmers don't get their crops sown, tended or harvested, 'cos most Canadians won't do it.
For us, it is food crops ............. no workers, no veggies or fruit.
Apple orchards are popular summer work with many Quebecers
For Ontario, it seems to be tobacco in one region, and food crops in others.
They should arrive 14 days before they need to start work and quarantine suitably just like everyone else and not given an exemption.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:11 am
#737
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
The workers in BC were not given any exemption. I don't know what happened in Ontario.
They had to do the full 14 day quarantine.
There was a lot of confusion last year, but in fact many of them did end up arriving only slightly delayed here and did not lose as much time in the fields as they might have done.
I think there was so much pressure on the provincial government that urgent arrangements were made.
The effect was that crops were planted slightly later than they should have been but the end production was not reduced by very much.
I didn't pay much attention to how things were going in Ontario, but we got a lot of news about the BC workers.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:15 am
#738
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Going through Mexico isn't getting around the law, you are still following 14 day quarantine when you arrive in Canada, and a PCR test at the land border. Flying into the US, then driving across the border into Canada is not breaking any law as long as you follow quarantine, so stop saying that it is. I was suggesting it to avoid a double quarantine of 14 days in international airport arrival province then another 14 days in the atlantic bubble if that is your final destination.
if people are following the law they should not be going to a grocery store after the 3 day hotel quarantine, they should be going directly home and getting said groceries delivered.
if people are following the law they should not be going to a grocery store after the 3 day hotel quarantine, they should be going directly home and getting said groceries delivered.
IF people are following the law, they should not be going to a grocery store.
Do you trust every single person to do as they are meant to do ?
I'm much more cynical than you ........ maybe because we've had Americans being caught sneaking around and disobeying/ignoring the law for almost a year now.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:18 am
#739
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
The point is ......................
IF people are following the law, they should not be going to a grocery store.
Do you trust every single person to do as they are meant to do ?
I'm much more cynical than you ........ maybe because we've had Americans being caught sneaking around and disobeying/ignoring the law for almost a year now.
IF people are following the law, they should not be going to a grocery store.
Do you trust every single person to do as they are meant to do ?
I'm much more cynical than you ........ maybe because we've had Americans being caught sneaking around and disobeying/ignoring the law for almost a year now.
I'm maybe not as cynical as you because I am more in the camp of the alberta program being expanded to the rest of the country rather then this quarantine, but I thnk any reasonable person whether they agree with quarantine or not wouldn't risk the $$$$$ fine and jail time and just suck it up and follow the law, and if you have a problem with it take it up with your MP (I know I have, and will continue to do.)
Jan 31st 2021, 4:21 am
#740
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
The workers in BC were not given any exemption. I don't know what happened in Ontario.
They had to do the full 14 day quarantine.
There was a lot of confusion last year, but in fact many of them did end up arriving only slightly delayed here and did not lose as much time in the fields as they might have done.
I think there was so much pressure on the provincial government that urgent arrangements were made.
The effect was that crops were planted slightly later than they should have been but the end production was not reduced by very much.
I didn't pay much attention to how things were going in Ontario, but we got a lot of news about the BC workers.
They had to do the full 14 day quarantine.
There was a lot of confusion last year, but in fact many of them did end up arriving only slightly delayed here and did not lose as much time in the fields as they might have done.
I think there was so much pressure on the provincial government that urgent arrangements were made.
The effect was that crops were planted slightly later than they should have been but the end production was not reduced by very much.
I didn't pay much attention to how things were going in Ontario, but we got a lot of news about the BC workers.
I am very close to the area where a lot of the anti-lockdown religious protests come from and I am imagining alot of the migrant workers identify with these groups so they are not likely to follow any sort of covid measures.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:44 am
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Not directed anywhere at all. It is that I am reading so much angst and rattling against what is this reality. Not just here but elsewhere also.
How about applying common sense and also some personal individual care and concern towards oneself, a family, neighbours, community.
I would hope everyone now knows exactly what this virus can and does do to folks of all ages. That is all ages. We all have a responsibility to not help any spread. Govts worldwide have put rules and regs in place to help with that because people can be really unaware or not caring of others as can be freely seen. Some Govts have done poorly and some have not. Some have properly listened to health advice and some have not. Some put money first over a nation = real people, some have not.
However there is no doubt that if one wants to actually starve this virus of hosts which then leads to more and more spread and so more hosts, then we simply and logically have to just stop with all the railing against this current situation. Each and every single one of us. Accept and overcome. If any one of us , just one of us, does not then it simply prolongs the pandemic really - with or without assorted vaccines - and all humankind suffers difficulties for longer & some of those people are already under dreadful duress.
It is hard. Very hard. So many millions of folks will have horribly sad times and dreadful memories. It is like a piece of SciFi in a way. One month people going about what they want for their lives ;the next month a huge amount of change and adjustment. That is what it will take . Huge change and adjustment. Look to what is good nearby and make the best. For now the world needs us to just be still.
How about applying common sense and also some personal individual care and concern towards oneself, a family, neighbours, community.
I would hope everyone now knows exactly what this virus can and does do to folks of all ages. That is all ages. We all have a responsibility to not help any spread. Govts worldwide have put rules and regs in place to help with that because people can be really unaware or not caring of others as can be freely seen. Some Govts have done poorly and some have not. Some have properly listened to health advice and some have not. Some put money first over a nation = real people, some have not.
However there is no doubt that if one wants to actually starve this virus of hosts which then leads to more and more spread and so more hosts, then we simply and logically have to just stop with all the railing against this current situation. Each and every single one of us. Accept and overcome. If any one of us , just one of us, does not then it simply prolongs the pandemic really - with or without assorted vaccines - and all humankind suffers difficulties for longer & some of those people are already under dreadful duress.
It is hard. Very hard. So many millions of folks will have horribly sad times and dreadful memories. It is like a piece of SciFi in a way. One month people going about what they want for their lives ;the next month a huge amount of change and adjustment. That is what it will take . Huge change and adjustment. Look to what is good nearby and make the best. For now the world needs us to just be still.
Jan 31st 2021, 8:29 am
#742
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Yes, I am leaning towards that option tbh. I did already accept a job and I don't like letting people down or going back on my word but, as I said in my earlier post, it's starting to feel like this is just a sign from fate and my move to Canada just wasn't meant to happen.
Jan 31st 2021, 8:37 am
#743
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Then you pay for the security. I can understand your anger towards those who left for a Caribbean vacation but why should a new immigrant family, international student or Canadian who needs to return from a long time away be punished financially for the actions of others?
Jan 31st 2021, 9:08 am
#744
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
As already has been said, the cost and the mandatory quarantine (along with the whole ban on trips to Sun destinations till April) is largely in place to help stop non essential travel. Much like the semi rich and almost famous Brits have grown weary of the restrictions and flown off to Dubai in droves. To either come back and break quarantine, or just accept staying at home for 2 weeks post trip - that's now out of the window.
For me its a huge step forward, and a step towards more open travel (although it doesn't seem like it now) I'm not going to say its too late/too early as hindsight is a wonderful thing. It really will separate essential travel out, stop people abusing the repeated repatriations I'm seeing on other forums etc.
The bit which I'm interested in is how it works for those with onwards flights into other provinces, as I'm doubting Moncton/Regina/Halifax etc will have quarantine facilities. So makes sense you would quarantine at the initial point of entry which is controlled - but if testing positive you could end up doing 14 days in Government facilities in Alberta - to get an internal flight and then do another 14 days provincial quarantine directly after. Personally I'm fairly happy with the situation in as much as if I get PR/Student visa prior to the end of these measures - I'm in a place both mentally and financially to endure this quarantine (granted if the extra 11 days required for a positive would bump the $2000 3 day cost up to $9000 I'd have to have a rethink on value - but assuming the $2000 is a blanket charge regardless of time needed). I feel for those with limited funds who need to return home, but hope their will be some sort of assistance/grants available to help (as a one off!) those that need it.
For me its a huge step forward, and a step towards more open travel (although it doesn't seem like it now) I'm not going to say its too late/too early as hindsight is a wonderful thing. It really will separate essential travel out, stop people abusing the repeated repatriations I'm seeing on other forums etc.
The bit which I'm interested in is how it works for those with onwards flights into other provinces, as I'm doubting Moncton/Regina/Halifax etc will have quarantine facilities. So makes sense you would quarantine at the initial point of entry which is controlled - but if testing positive you could end up doing 14 days in Government facilities in Alberta - to get an internal flight and then do another 14 days provincial quarantine directly after. Personally I'm fairly happy with the situation in as much as if I get PR/Student visa prior to the end of these measures - I'm in a place both mentally and financially to endure this quarantine (granted if the extra 11 days required for a positive would bump the $2000 3 day cost up to $9000 I'd have to have a rethink on value - but assuming the $2000 is a blanket charge regardless of time needed). I feel for those with limited funds who need to return home, but hope their will be some sort of assistance/grants available to help (as a one off!) those that need it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canad...ovid-1.5691370
Also it would be interesting to know what would happen if a family arrived and the youngest child tested positive but the other family members did not. Presumably they're not going to take a child away from their parents and shove them in a hotel room alone for 11 days.
Internationally this idea seems closer to the Korean quarantine model than that of Australia, NZ, or the UK but there are a lot of unknowns atm.
Jan 31st 2021, 11:05 am
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
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Jan 31st 2021, 1:22 pm
#746
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
I support the implementation of this given the qty of flights from sun destinations that had positive cases onboard in the last 2 weeks. That said, as someone who travelled this month for the death of my father, the vagueness of when this will be implemented is disappointing. I will move my return flight forward by 48 hours in the hope I can avoid being caught in hotel quarantine, as I’m not imagining there will be any exemptions for compassionate grounds.
Jan 31st 2021, 2:09 pm
#747
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Confirmation of vaccination before flight - no doubt this will be coming to an airline near you soon!
"Qantas CEO Says No Vaccine, No Fly - Simple Flying" https://simpleflying.com/qantas-ceo-immunity-passports/
"Qantas CEO Says No Vaccine, No Fly - Simple Flying" https://simpleflying.com/qantas-ceo-immunity-passports/
Jan 31st 2021, 2:44 pm
#748
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Confirmation of vaccination before flight - no doubt this will be coming to an airline near you soon!
"Qantas CEO Says No Vaccine, No Fly - Simple Flying" https://simpleflying.com/qantas-ceo-immunity-passports/
"Qantas CEO Says No Vaccine, No Fly - Simple Flying" https://simpleflying.com/qantas-ceo-immunity-passports/
Jan 31st 2021, 3:06 pm
#749
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Friend just travelled for US to Mexico yesterday, had a current test, that was fun timing, but nobody asked for it.
Jan 31st 2021, 4:18 pm
#750
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
I fear the way this is going we're heading for a tripple lock of travel restrictions: vaccine, test(s) and quarantine could become the norm. The thing we used to moan about, the air fare will then be a small fraction of our travel costs.