Invaded or settled?
Apr 12th 2016 | 11:32 pm
#121
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Re: Invaded or settled?
Sincere apologies if I didn't list all the people who have been banging on about rightie/leftie for the past year. Oztennis mentioned it and I commented because I'm over it and I'm not alone. Next time I want to comment on something I'll make sure to have a complete list of 'baddies' and maybe multiquote every single mention. 
Apr 13th 2016 | 12:12 am
#122
Crazy Cat Lady
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Re: Invaded or settled?
Nah, just make sure you pick someone who is actually doing what you're complaining about! You read pages of folk labouring the leftie rubbish and making horrid insinuations and then you quoted one person who was clearly expressing the same frustration as you in that he anticipated getting the same flack! It's a fair point I made; no need to eye roll me or be sarcastic.
Apr 13th 2016 | 12:30 am
#127
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Re: Invaded or settled?
You certainly live in a lovely area of Perth.
Apr 13th 2016 | 12:32 am
#128
Concierge
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From: Western Australia
Re: Invaded or settled?
You can stop now. I've been here for 6 months and haven't been at all homesick, then along comes you and paints a beautiful verbal picture.
Apr 13th 2016 | 12:36 am
#129
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Re: Invaded or settled?
I don't think individuals were invaders, other than those who had the power to make the orders, iyswim. The individuals that came to Australia were surely in the most part a mixture of folk like us trying to improve their lot and folk in miserable predicaments like your rellie.
But still, when the intentions of the crown at the time and the actions taken and ordered in its name when resistance was met are scrutinised my sympathies lie with the argument that Australia was both invaded and settled but that its invaded status has been ignored as an inconvenient truth. If the voice that it was invaded is silenced (by the likes of those who state what is only their opinion with phrases like "end of" as if they possess a God-given authority!) then we have no hope of ever moving forward to a unified future. You only have to look to every and any area of the globe where a population that perceives itself as oppressed is ignored and marginalised to realise that ignoring the other side and using majority authority to dismiss and belittle does not result in a harmonious and unified society.
As to the right/left mudslinging, I only want to say that the person moneypenny (Oztennis) quoted on post 63 when raising her objection was only remarking that they anticipated getting the lefty insult hurled at them, which is understandable if you read the posts of Amazulu and Beoz on this thread BEFORE oztennis posted: Amazulu continually refers to 'the left' etc. and even insultingly links the left with "anti-West" (post 25) and "its 3rd world Islamic masters" (post 52). So it didn't seem very fair to quote oztennis when making the point that the left/right mudslinging is tiresome.
But still, when the intentions of the crown at the time and the actions taken and ordered in its name when resistance was met are scrutinised my sympathies lie with the argument that Australia was both invaded and settled but that its invaded status has been ignored as an inconvenient truth. If the voice that it was invaded is silenced (by the likes of those who state what is only their opinion with phrases like "end of" as if they possess a God-given authority!) then we have no hope of ever moving forward to a unified future. You only have to look to every and any area of the globe where a population that perceives itself as oppressed is ignored and marginalised to realise that ignoring the other side and using majority authority to dismiss and belittle does not result in a harmonious and unified society.
As to the right/left mudslinging, I only want to say that the person moneypenny (Oztennis) quoted on post 63 when raising her objection was only remarking that they anticipated getting the lefty insult hurled at them, which is understandable if you read the posts of Amazulu and Beoz on this thread BEFORE oztennis posted: Amazulu continually refers to 'the left' etc. and even insultingly links the left with "anti-West" (post 25) and "its 3rd world Islamic masters" (post 52). So it didn't seem very fair to quote oztennis when making the point that the left/right mudslinging is tiresome.
I know I'm no angel on here and give as good as I get - I basically call things as I see them. Always have, always will but Oztennis is no angel either. He dishes it out no end - and to his credit, unlike the majority of his ilk, can take it too
Maybe what is being posted in these threads is tiresome, I can dig that but the relentless UK is utopia/Australia is shite bias of this site is tiresome too
Swings and roundabouts
Apr 13th 2016 | 2:58 am
#130
Home and Happy
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Re: Invaded or settled?
Chill
I know I'm no angel on here and give as good as I get - I basically call things as I see them. Always have, always will but Oztennis is no angel either. He dishes it out no end - and to his credit, unlike the majority of his ilk, can take it too
Maybe what is being posted in these threads is tiresome, I can dig that but the relentless UK is utopia/Australia is shite bias of this site is tiresome too
Swings and roundabouts
I know I'm no angel on here and give as good as I get - I basically call things as I see them. Always have, always will but Oztennis is no angel either. He dishes it out no end - and to his credit, unlike the majority of his ilk, can take it too
Maybe what is being posted in these threads is tiresome, I can dig that but the relentless UK is utopia/Australia is shite bias of this site is tiresome too
Swings and roundabouts
There's certainly no bias now one way or another cos there aren't enough posters left to sway the vote either way!
Apr 13th 2016 | 4:10 am
#131
Lost in BE Cyberspace
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Re: Invaded or settled?
As said, getting back to the topic, I've had no comment on my comments that the country technically was invaded rather than settled (Cook ignoring his instructions and law at the time by not attempting to have a treaty with the aboriginals; resorting to the lie of terra nuillis when clearly the land did belong to tribes who Cook and the 1st settlers encountered and force was used so it wasn't all amicable and with the blessing of the previous inhabitants; not by an army in specific battles but by thousands of 'settlers' wiping out the aboriginals over time).
We also have to mention what the main purpose of white 'settlement' was in the first place - it wasn't for 'settlement' but as a dumping ground for the overcrowded prisons of England when America had the temerity to fight for independence from the crown and a dumping ground was lost. Prof Blainey has also argued that there were the additional reasons of obtaining flax and tall, straight timber for the Rule Britannia fleet (Norfolk Island was a good source of both and was a big reason why a penal settlement was established there after Sydney Cove).
Apr 13th 2016 | 6:49 am
#132
Lost in BE Cyberspace
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From: Cayman Islands
Re: Invaded or settled?
Bevs. Please don't leave us in suspenders. I may be the only one impolite enough to ask this, but what happened to the rest of the horse?
Apr 13th 2016 | 11:00 am
#133
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Apr 13th 2016 | 12:11 pm
#134
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From: Alloha snack bar
Re: Invaded or settled?
You mean in the days before Facebook, Twitter and the like? Times have changed and people don't compare the price of lettuce etc on BE's like they used to. I for one don't have many nostalgic tears in my eyes for the passing of the lettuce discussions. I don't mind locking horns with the likes of Zulu.
Sign of the times in reality
Apr 13th 2016 | 12:24 pm
#135
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