Your reading far to much George Orwell mate Me too
Joking aside, I'm fascinated by the creative talents of ancient civilizations. How does that come into this thread? Well the idea of life from another solar system for instance. Why do we pray to "God above"? Why did ancient civilizations all pray to gods in the sky?
Take as an example the Great Pyramids; one has a 100mm square shaft descending into the inner chamber that on one day every 11 years or so shows a certain star in part of a constellation. Now how the hell did a few hundred different masons manage to create such an accurate shaft in the first place? Did they have technology that was lost along with them?
How about the ancient carved heads on the Easter Islands where they really the work of a few blokes with primitive tools?
The Quartz skull old Arthur C C used to rave about?
So many things that we with all our modern technology cannot just explain away do support a theory that just maybe we were assisted by persons unknown to make that leap in evolution. Or were we once far more advanced and suffered a backward step?
Far to much to contemplate at this time of night

Unless your talking about long periods of time (in the 10's of thousands of years) the heavens repeat themselves on a regular basis. Stars coming above the horizon at certain times of the year, constellations appearing at certain points, etc... Therefore the heavens were seen as perfect and thus the domain of gods especially compared to the less than perfect cycles of the earth. Add in thunderstorms and other natural phenomena and disasters and it's not hard to see where the concepts of gods comes from. Add in politics and the trappings of power over your fellow man and hey presto you've got religion.

I'm sure the shaft wouldn't have been too difficult to the mathematicians of that time. It's surprising what you can do with a few simple tools. I've seen many TV programmes that recreate/investigate the methods that would have been used on ancient monuments). I don't know anything about the quartz skull - have you got any links? There are several instances of backwards steps in recorded history (i.e. the dark ages) so it's probable that there have been some backward steps in pre-history.

Some more Dawkins. Says it all for me ...

I've not seen this before, but you have to admire his logic. In fact, I think that Dawkins is now my god. Oh, hold on, he probably wouldn't like that

As for the previous couple of posts about visitations from the stars, then this reminds me of Chariots of the gods by Eric von Danniken. Now, I know that much of what he talks about is absolute tosh, but it does certainly make you think about things in a different light.

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Just shows you how kids are easily brainwashed from birth by their parents. Personally I think thrusting religion on a child before they are old enough to decide for them selves is a kin to child abuse.

Oh dear...is OZ really that bad!

Best go buy the bible then eh??

Here's an interesting one that I came across on Physorg today. Very pertinent to our discussion. Notice it says 1 million year old tooth, and not 4300 year old tooth...

http://www.physorg.com/news102339776.html

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Don't know if this has been posted but its well worth watching, certainly doesn't help the believers!

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...81422995115331

Crikey that's a 2 hour movie.....See you in a couple of hours....BRB

BACK.... Cool movie, essential veiwing I think, ok so they probably took a lot out context to make their point, but personally
if the baddies succeed in their end goals I'm not so sure it's all that bad. Anyone else watched the whole 2 hours worth?

Yeah but if it can be proven that the bible was plaguerised nonsense then what will the whole world claim to fight over, they'd all have to admit its all about money.

Just settling down to....

The skull I was initially referring to is named the Mitchell-Hedges skull, now allegedly a late 18th century fake, it's not been available for examination by electron microscope as some of the other skulls have been.
Here's a link to the site I found while looking for an update to the 1970's book by Arthur C Clarke I had been reading recently. The Skull featured as the cover photo of his book.
World Mystery

Top mate....top!!! LMAO!!

Thanks for that - I'd never heard of them. Looks like the Mayans had some fine craftsmen.