The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:18 am
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My prediction is the filter may get killed depending on the need for family first support. We are yet to find out what deals the coalition will cut.
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:25 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
The point is that both parties let their policies can be distorted to put in a policy. Are you arguing against foreign aid or do you believe that women should not be given health aid and it should be fine to distort others health on the view of one senators religious zeal?
Should women have the right to RU486 which Tony Abbott wanted to deny whilst health minister.
Another point is that ones freedom of choice can be taken by either party.
Should women have the right to RU486 which Tony Abbott wanted to deny whilst health minister.
Another point is that ones freedom of choice can be taken by either party.
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:29 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Meaning what. Seriously what does that even mean?
So you want people to associate the Julia Gillard Labor government with Hitler and the Nazis? I think that you've lost it mate.
When a party starts rolling out policies that restrict access/freedom of information then that's the time to be very wary of them. Hitler did exactly the same when the Nazis burnt the books.
So right now thanks to Labor, we have inter-governmental department data matching which essentially is a national ID card without the need for a card, A government that wants to record our internet usage/sites visited/emails sent/received and a proposed internet filter to block our acces to information.
So what does that tell you about Labor?
Another term and we may as well be living in China or Iran.
So right now thanks to Labor, we have inter-governmental department data matching which essentially is a national ID card without the need for a card, A government that wants to record our internet usage/sites visited/emails sent/received and a proposed internet filter to block our acces to information.
So what does that tell you about Labor?
Another term and we may as well be living in China or Iran.
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Aug 2nd 2010, 4:37 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Out of interest does anyone remember Howards government blowing billions of dollars during their final 4 years? I cant really remember anything of note. I was here but I wasnt really paying attention because they seemed quite competent.
But in the 3 years that Rudd-Gillard have been in power I can recall several b$+ events that failed massively or were a tremendous waste (Harveynormanbonus+Interwebfilter+PinkBattselectro cutingtradiesinroofs+schoolsbuildings)
But in the 3 years that Rudd-Gillard have been in power I can recall several b$+ events that failed massively or were a tremendous waste (Harveynormanbonus+Interwebfilter+PinkBattselectro cutingtradiesinroofs+schoolsbuildings)
Lots of bribes for seniors.
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Aug 2nd 2010, 4:43 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Regional Partnerships - http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...7/s2091632.htm
I remember the program suddenly shoving money into my constituency when it went marginal.
Both parties will waste money for votes.
I remember the program suddenly shoving money into my constituency when it went marginal.
Both parties will waste money for votes.
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:48 am
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You don't know what under-employment is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment
No. What I'm saying is that history has a tendency of repeating itself because people have short memories/think it will never happen again... Until it invariably does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment
So you want people to associate the Julia Gillard Labor government with Hitler and the Nazis? I think that you've lost it mate.
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:50 am
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But if a future government is controlling access to information, then how will you ever know if you are fully informed about a particular topic - be it overseas birth control, euthanasia, religion or whatever else?
For me, unfettered access to information allows me to undertake research and arrive at my own conclusion about pretty much everything. If the government takes that away, it removes a huge amount of your ability to do so, and undermines the very nature of our democratic society.
This is what happened in Turkey - It started off with good intentions, blocking access to hardcore pornography, yet now has moved on to cover an array of material that was previously available to the public.
Perhaps comparing the filter with the Nazis is going a little too far, but we do need to tread very carefully with censorship, as it can be the thin end of an increasingly undemocratic wedge, as the Turkish example demonstrates.
S
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:51 am
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But the way it reads is that people who support Gillard and Labour are supporting fascists. You undermine any credibility you had with the statement.
You don't know what under-employment is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment
No. What I'm saying is that history has a tendency of repeating itself because people have short memories/think it will never happen again... Until it invariably does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underemployment
No. What I'm saying is that history has a tendency of repeating itself because people have short memories/think it will never happen again... Until it invariably does.
Aug 2nd 2010, 4:51 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Regional Partnerships - http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...7/s2091632.htm
I remember the program suddenly shoving money into my constituency when it went marginal.
Both parties will waste money for votes.
I remember the program suddenly shoving money into my constituency when it went marginal.
Both parties will waste money for votes.
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Aug 2nd 2010, 4:53 am
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The point is that both parties let their policies can be distorted to put in a policy. Are you arguing against foreign aid or do you believe that women should not be given health aid and it should be fine to distort others health on the view of one senators religious zeal?
Should women have the right to RU486 which Tony Abbott wanted to deny whilst health minister.
Another point is that ones freedom of choice can be taken by either party.
Aug 2nd 2010, 5:00 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
This is not Turkey which is moving from secularism to Islamic governance. I still do not like the filter but I have other priorities with my family. The coalition are also not know for their freedom of access to information and liberty. Remember the cock up with Mohamed Hanif who was still denied liberty and smeared as a terrorist when everyone except the coalition and federal police were saying he was innocent. That includes the British who passed information on about him.
But if a future government is controlling access to information, then how will you ever know if you are fully informed about a particular topic - be it overseas birth control, euthanasia, religion or whatever else?
For me, unfettered access to information allows me to undertake research and arrive at my own conclusion about pretty much everything. If the government takes that away, it removes a huge amount of your ability to do so, and undermines the very nature of our democratic society.
This is what happened in Turkey - It started off with good intentions, blocking access to hardcore pornography, yet now has moved on to cover an array of material that was previously available to the public.
Perhaps comparing the filter with the Nazis is going a little too far, but we do need to tread very carefully with censorship, as it can be the thin end of an increasingly undemocratic wedge, as the Turkish example demonstrates.
S
For me, unfettered access to information allows me to undertake research and arrive at my own conclusion about pretty much everything. If the government takes that away, it removes a huge amount of your ability to do so, and undermines the very nature of our democratic society.
This is what happened in Turkey - It started off with good intentions, blocking access to hardcore pornography, yet now has moved on to cover an array of material that was previously available to the public.
Perhaps comparing the filter with the Nazis is going a little too far, but we do need to tread very carefully with censorship, as it can be the thin end of an increasingly undemocratic wedge, as the Turkish example demonstrates.
S
Aug 2nd 2010, 5:05 am
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
It is a money saver in the long run because of illness prevention and unwanted pregnancies that be terminated without medical care. Harradines objection was for religious reasons.
I read up on RU486 and Abbott denied its availability as health minister. This was due to Abbott's religious beliefs.
I read up on RU486 and Abbott denied its availability as health minister. This was due to Abbott's religious beliefs.
I'm not against foreign aid per se but foreign aid for birth control... There are better thing for money to be spent on.
I don't have any issue with whether they do or whether they don't. I believe a woman's body is hers to do whatever she wants with and if that means getting an abortion (or not) then so be it.
That's true.
I don't have any issue with whether they do or whether they don't. I believe a woman's body is hers to do whatever she wants with and if that means getting an abortion (or not) then so be it.
That's true.
Aug 2nd 2010, 5:06 am
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I wasn't comparing the filter with the Nazis, I was comparing the burning of books by the Nazis as essentially the same thing as the internet filter. Both restrict access to information.