The Sensible Australian Election Thread
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Agreed, but the greedy buggers did have a legal (and moral) obligation to train their workers so that they could remain safe whilst doing their job.
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Any time a government comes up with a good idea someone somewhere is going to rort it. And it's always the government that gets the blame.
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Indeed but in this case it was such a rushed job that common sense checks were not in place hence untrained and unqualified workers ended up killing themselves.
We never hear of the initiatives that work though.
We never hear of the initiatives that work though.
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That's just the nature of government though. People only seem to remember failures.
During his tenure as President, Richard Nixon introduced the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Council on Environmental Quality and the Clean Air Act. He also created the Gates Commission which eventually abandoned the draft as a mechanism for military recruitment.
In themselves, all pretty noble achievements, yet, history will probably only remember him for one thing - Destroying those tapes made at the Watergate Hotel.
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The biggest issue is the interaction with the media and the populace. Good governance does not make good news. There are politicians out there whose policies I dislike but I would rather they were running a department as they are good administrators.
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Todays news on the fact that Gillard deputises her National Security Council duties to a Year1 staffer was stunning. But what was more stunning, and a real indictment of her, was her response in the face of the furore.
/quoted from the australian
While her focus was on the economy, the media drew her back to a report in The Australian that said Ms Gillard asked a police officer to deputise for her at National Security Committee meetings.
"Mr Andrew Stark was a member of the Australian Federal Police for 21 years and I think it is offensive to him, it's offensive to me and I believe it would be offensive to hard working police right around this country to somehow conclude that a man who spent 21 years in the Australian Federal Police ... doesn't know anything about security,'' Ms Gillard said
/end quote
The woman is bonkers. HE was her bodyguard for a while, then made into a junior staffer in her team and now he delegated for her as CHAIR of the national security council. I dont mind her sending someone to take minutes, but the fact that he was chairperson, and whats worse is that she defended it as a sensible activity just demonstrates her lack of awareness. Er yes julia, a cop for 21 years knows NOTHING About the
security of a nation. If someone robs the servo -he's the man, North Korea threatening south korea and the ramification with China's alegiance ...er no. I dont trust him to understand it.
I am really getting tired of hearing her speak in riddles, and the 'lawyer' answer she gives all the time, falling back on the confidentiality of her office to refuse to answer questions about how many of the 74 NSC Meetings she actually attended... thats just nonsense and deceitful. Hopefully people will realise that after only 2 months in the job she's having to resort to this behaviour that is usually reserved for 2nd term prime ministers.
/quoted from the australian
While her focus was on the economy, the media drew her back to a report in The Australian that said Ms Gillard asked a police officer to deputise for her at National Security Committee meetings.
"Mr Andrew Stark was a member of the Australian Federal Police for 21 years and I think it is offensive to him, it's offensive to me and I believe it would be offensive to hard working police right around this country to somehow conclude that a man who spent 21 years in the Australian Federal Police ... doesn't know anything about security,'' Ms Gillard said
/end quote
The woman is bonkers. HE was her bodyguard for a while, then made into a junior staffer in her team and now he delegated for her as CHAIR of the national security council. I dont mind her sending someone to take minutes, but the fact that he was chairperson, and whats worse is that she defended it as a sensible activity just demonstrates her lack of awareness. Er yes julia, a cop for 21 years knows NOTHING About the
security of a nation. If someone robs the servo -he's the man, North Korea threatening south korea and the ramification with China's alegiance ...er no. I dont trust him to understand it.
I am really getting tired of hearing her speak in riddles, and the 'lawyer' answer she gives all the time, falling back on the confidentiality of her office to refuse to answer questions about how many of the 74 NSC Meetings she actually attended... thats just nonsense and deceitful. Hopefully people will realise that after only 2 months in the job she's having to resort to this behaviour that is usually reserved for 2nd term prime ministers.
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Todays news on the fact that Gillard deputises her National Security Council duties to a Year1 staffer was stunning. But what was more stunning, and a real indictment of her, was her response in the face of the furore.
/quoted from the australian
While her focus was on the economy, the media drew her back to a report in The Australian that said Ms Gillard asked a police officer to deputise for her at National Security Committee meetings.
"Mr Andrew Stark was a member of the Australian Federal Police for 21 years and I think it is offensive to him, it's offensive to me and I believe it would be offensive to hard working police right around this country to somehow conclude that a man who spent 21 years in the Australian Federal Police ... doesn't know anything about security,'' Ms Gillard said
/end quote
The woman is bonkers. HE was her bodyguard for a while, then made into a junior staffer in her team and now he delegated for her as CHAIR of the national security council. I dont mind her sending someone to take minutes, but the fact that he was chairperson, and whats worse is that she defended it as a sensible activity just demonstrates her lack of awareness. Er yes julia, a cop for 21 years knows NOTHING About the
security of a nation. If someone robs the servo -he's the man, North Korea threatening south korea and the ramification with China's alegiance ...er no. I dont trust him to understand it.
I am really getting tired of hearing her speak in riddles, and the 'lawyer' answer she gives all the time, falling back on the confidentiality of her office to refuse to answer questions about how many of the 74 NSC Meetings she actually attended... thats just nonsense and deceitful. Hopefully people will realise that after only 2 months in the job she's having to resort to this behaviour that is usually reserved for 2nd term prime ministers.
/quoted from the australian
While her focus was on the economy, the media drew her back to a report in The Australian that said Ms Gillard asked a police officer to deputise for her at National Security Committee meetings.
"Mr Andrew Stark was a member of the Australian Federal Police for 21 years and I think it is offensive to him, it's offensive to me and I believe it would be offensive to hard working police right around this country to somehow conclude that a man who spent 21 years in the Australian Federal Police ... doesn't know anything about security,'' Ms Gillard said
/end quote
The woman is bonkers. HE was her bodyguard for a while, then made into a junior staffer in her team and now he delegated for her as CHAIR of the national security council. I dont mind her sending someone to take minutes, but the fact that he was chairperson, and whats worse is that she defended it as a sensible activity just demonstrates her lack of awareness. Er yes julia, a cop for 21 years knows NOTHING About the
security of a nation. If someone robs the servo -he's the man, North Korea threatening south korea and the ramification with China's alegiance ...er no. I dont trust him to understand it.
I am really getting tired of hearing her speak in riddles, and the 'lawyer' answer she gives all the time, falling back on the confidentiality of her office to refuse to answer questions about how many of the 74 NSC Meetings she actually attended... thats just nonsense and deceitful. Hopefully people will realise that after only 2 months in the job she's having to resort to this behaviour that is usually reserved for 2nd term prime ministers.
I was in the Police Intelligence Unit for 14 years, and I worked with many guys who served longer than me. None of us would dream of aspiring to this level of job; the woman is seriously concerning.
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I think she has been rumbled.
This latest revelation plus the leak on her attitude towards pensions and family leave should make people think twice about voting for her party. But will it?
This latest revelation plus the leak on her attitude towards pensions and family leave should make people think twice about voting for her party. But will it?
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If she'd come out and said - i can see how this looks, the guy deputised for me because I was dealing wiht somethign else of national importance, and he fully briefed me afterwards and had my briefings beforehand, he made no decisions and didnt vote..... everyone would say - ok get that, delegation...
but for her to come out and make the statement she did that 'he has 21 yrs experience in the police' is arrogant and extremely wrong. If she truly believes that - then she has no place leading anything.
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Surely it would depend on what type of AFP policeman he was. If he was an ACT copper then he would have been the wrong choice but if he was involved in national security then fair play. The chairman is the chairman of a meeting not necessarily the decision maker. I'd like to see more background on the bloke before making a condemnation.
Funny that Rudd was condemned for micro-management and Gillard is condemned for delegating. I get the impression the public doesn't know what it wants.
Funny that Rudd was condemned for micro-management and Gillard is condemned for delegating. I get the impression the public doesn't know what it wants.
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The AFP have a lot to do with National Security and foreign operations. A lot of the peace keeping force in the Solomans are AFP Officers.
They are basically the Australian equivalent of the FBI, so a lot of national issues arise. It basically depends on what area he served in the AFP.
They are basically the Australian equivalent of the FBI, so a lot of national issues arise. It basically depends on what area he served in the AFP.
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The AFP have a lot to do with National Security and foreign operations. A lot of the peace keeping force in the Solomans are AFP Officers.
They are basically the Australian equivalent of the FBI, so a lot of national issues arise. It basically depends on what area he served in the AFP.
They are basically the Australian equivalent of the FBI, so a lot of national issues arise. It basically depends on what area he served in the AFP.
he was a bodyguard for goodness sake
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Re: The Sensible Australian Election Thread
Todays news on the fact that Gillard deputises her National Security Council duties to a Year1 staffer was stunning. But what was more stunning, and a real indictment of her, was her response in the face of the furore.
/quoted from the australian
While her focus was on the economy, the media drew her back to a report in The Australian that said Ms Gillard asked a police officer to deputise for her at National Security Committee meetings.
"Mr Andrew Stark was a member of the Australian Federal Police for 21 years and I think it is offensive to him, it's offensive to me and I believe it would be offensive to hard working police right around this country to somehow conclude that a man who spent 21 years in the Australian Federal Police ... doesn't know anything about security,'' Ms Gillard said
/end quote
The woman is bonkers. HE was her bodyguard for a while, then made into a junior staffer in her team and now he delegated for her as CHAIR of the national security council. I dont mind her sending someone to take minutes, but the fact that he was chairperson, and whats worse is that she defended it as a sensible activity just demonstrates her lack of awareness. Er yes julia, a cop for 21 years knows NOTHING About the
security of a nation. If someone robs the servo -he's the man, North Korea threatening south korea and the ramification with China's alegiance ...er no. I dont trust him to understand it.
I am really getting tired of hearing her speak in riddles, and the 'lawyer' answer she gives all the time, falling back on the confidentiality of her office to refuse to answer questions about how many of the 74 NSC Meetings she actually attended... thats just nonsense and deceitful. Hopefully people will realise that after only 2 months in the job she's having to resort to this behaviour that is usually reserved for 2nd term prime ministers.
/quoted from the australian
While her focus was on the economy, the media drew her back to a report in The Australian that said Ms Gillard asked a police officer to deputise for her at National Security Committee meetings.
"Mr Andrew Stark was a member of the Australian Federal Police for 21 years and I think it is offensive to him, it's offensive to me and I believe it would be offensive to hard working police right around this country to somehow conclude that a man who spent 21 years in the Australian Federal Police ... doesn't know anything about security,'' Ms Gillard said
/end quote
The woman is bonkers. HE was her bodyguard for a while, then made into a junior staffer in her team and now he delegated for her as CHAIR of the national security council. I dont mind her sending someone to take minutes, but the fact that he was chairperson, and whats worse is that she defended it as a sensible activity just demonstrates her lack of awareness. Er yes julia, a cop for 21 years knows NOTHING About the
security of a nation. If someone robs the servo -he's the man, North Korea threatening south korea and the ramification with China's alegiance ...er no. I dont trust him to understand it.
I am really getting tired of hearing her speak in riddles, and the 'lawyer' answer she gives all the time, falling back on the confidentiality of her office to refuse to answer questions about how many of the 74 NSC Meetings she actually attended... thats just nonsense and deceitful. Hopefully people will realise that after only 2 months in the job she's having to resort to this behaviour that is usually reserved for 2nd term prime ministers.