Sportychico

I asked you to engage but your intellectual capacity was inferior ....are you even in the uk

Sportychico

All shit holes ...is that where you live? Explains why you're so miserable

Sportychico

Hey hobo. 14000 posts...that's 60 DAYS of your life on here...what a waste

hungryhorace

No it doesn't. De Niro *is* Italian, unlike the guido idiot who served us.

hungryhorace

lol, I think you mean to direct this at the other poster?

hungryhorace

Right now ? Yep. I'm on British soil.

MMcD

That's a non-sequitor.
My question was related to the "Italian"(?) bakery you extol

hungryhorace

It was founded by Italian *immigrants* (understand that word? That means they were ACTUALLY Italian). How you get from Italian immigrants to a waiter whose Italian lineage is about as great as my Scottish (ie, none) is beyond me.

markonline1

If he meant me, (and this was coming from someone who earlier called Leamington Spa posh ), no I'm not in the UK. I'm in Monterey, California. Care to give your expert opinion on there?

hungryhorace

Monterey? My only opinion on that place is that it is one of the most beautiful places in America.

markonline1

My post wasn't directed at you, I was hoping to get the opinion of Alan Wicker on here, but I agree, it's certainly a beautiful place. It's certainly worth putting up with the foggy summers here

MMcD

and the point is:
Did you ever subject the family members now running that establishment to the same kind of scrutiny in order to determine whether they self-identify as Italians?
And frankly - I assume you did not (nor should you) since it's really none of (y)our business. Divulging it, or not, is up to the individual.
But hungryhorace - (unlike Scotland and most, if not all other countries) the US, as has already been pointed out in a prior post ( with the exception of Native Americans), is composed entirely of, to quote you: *immigrants* and their subsequent generations. (btw:what's the significance of your asterisks? There's a bold key, if that's what the * is meant to express).
Whether or not one chooses to self-identify as Italian, Greek, Korean etc ........well, that's entirely up to each individual.
If, and when, one does so - they're not referring to citizenship , something which may be awarded or denied, or which might be their birthright .....but something far deeper...a sense of identification or pride or "who-I-am ness", which no individual has the right to deny to another.
Who one feels him/herself to be belongs to that individual - and that's also true for gender, sexual identification, religious identification.
Why try to deny another human being what they feel to be their identity?

hungryhorace

They've never taken time out of their working day to expressly tell me how proud they are to be an Italian.

...unlike the guido, who turns out was an American.

Whatever. It's bullshit.

MMcD

this is becoming utterly puerile........
yes an American citizen......a legal definition
it does not preclude him from being Italian if that's what he feels himself to be thru his heritage and upbringing.

ps: I just googled what turns out to be a totally offensive term, which you've now used numerous times - I had not idea you were slinging perjoratives about.
Enough

hungryhorace

Get over it. Ever watched Jersey Shore? It's a badge of honour apparently!