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Brady Campaign

Current[edit]
In February 2012, on Sarah Brady's 70th birthday, Dan Gross was announced as the new president. He is one of the founders of the Center to Prevent Youth Violence (formerly PAX).[6]

Former[edit]
Mark Borinsky founded the National Council to Control Handguns in 1974. He served as Chair until 1976. Charlie Orasin was a key player in the founding and growth of Handgun Control (HCI). He worked at HCI from 1975 until 1992.[7]
Nelson "Pete" Shields became the organization's chairman in 1978 and retired in 1989.[8]
James and Sarah Brady have been influential in the movement since at least the mid-1980s. Mrs. Brady became chair in 1989, and the Bradys became the namesakes of the organization in 2000.[9]
Richard Aborn served as president from 1992 until 1996 and went on to form the Citizens Crime Commission of New York City.[10][11]
Former Maryland Congressman Michael D. Barnes was the president of the Brady Campaign from 2000 to May 2006.[10]
Former Fort Wayne, Indiana, mayor Paul Helmke served from July 2006 to July 2011.[12]
In July 1976, Shields estimated that it would take seven to ten years for NCCH to reach the goal of "total control of handguns in the United States." He said: "The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal."[13] In 1987 Shields said that he believed "in the right of law-abiding citizens to possess handguns... for legitimate purposes.".[14] In November 2008, Brady president Helmke, a former Republican mayor of Fort Wayne, Indiana, endorsed the American Hunters and Shooters Association saying, "I see our issues as complementary to theirs." He said, "The Brady Campaign is not just East Coast liberal Democrats."[15]

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Could you explain exactly what is "nutty" about this person's opinion?

Or should those in favour of disarmament not speak?

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That's only calling for a ban (actually more of a restriction) on privately owned handguns. Doesn't say anything about rifles or shotguns. Shotguns are the better choice for home defense anyway, so to be honest I take no issue with this, even as someone sympathetic to the gun owner's point of view.

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Agreed. Local measures do nothing.

Nor is it a matter of laws alone. The entire culture has to shift. A big ask.

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That's why I've said this is not going to be a quick process. It is something that can be achieved, but it will take at least ten years, most likely more.

What we need to do in the meantime is anything we can to dramatically reduce the amount of incidents such as the ones discussed in this thread and countless others in recent years on BE. Hiding behind an article in a 230 year old document, bleating on about 'muh rights' and 'muh freedom' only serve to stall the process.

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Well that OK then.:rofl:

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Yeah. Rational behaviour would be a good start.

I find it hard to understand the willingness to accept as somehow inevitable the current state of affairs and the giant annual death toll. The word "freedom" needs defining in this context and it's a lot more complicated than being free to own a hunting rifle.

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Exactly what was the point in either of those posts?

I wasn't being sarcastic - I really don't have a problem with restricting private handgun ownership. Nobody needs a gun and there are still other options available for anyone who wants one. This is a massive WGAF for me.

All I'm doing is agreeing with one line of text in a copied/pasted post - not presenting new legislation in front of Congress. Go buy some more Reynolds Wrap, I think you need a new headdress.

I'm at a complete loss on this one. What exactly does wanting fewer fatal shootings have to do with Animal Farm?

Or are you, in a roundabout way, saying you consider the status quo as an acceptable outcome of you being able to own your guns?

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Indeed. You are free to own your weaponry and go hunting. About 10,000 families of the 10,000 annual dead in this country are free to mourn their loss.

So tell me who is the "more equal"?

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Wishful thinking?

The thing is, even after redefining 'freedom', they still get to own their hunting rifles. It'll just have the added bonus that eight year old girls will be able to tell eleven year old boys to do one without being perforated like a ****ing teabag.

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Seems like an all around win to me.

Don't think this country is ready for it though. Still, we have to start or it never will be.

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We just need to circulate the story that Canada is better at something than us and just watch things change then ...

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It is wholly unrealistic. There is no way to get from where we are today, with most states having widely available concealed carry permits, which pretty much mean hand guns, to a ban on ownership of (even) hand guns. There is zero chance, zero! .... and anyone who can't see that deserves to be called "nutty". :nod:They are enabling/facilitating the NRAs arguments but are too shortsighted to see it. See my post of a couple of pages ago, #304, et seq.

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There doesn't need to be a ban, but there probably should be more restrictions on handguns. Unless you're an off-duty (or plain clothes) policeman, or similar, there really is no need for anyone to carry a concealed handgun around with them. Really, the only state where you should have a gun with you at all times is Alaska, and you're going to want something with a bit more firepower up there anyway.

You and I have both mentioned how much more effective the shotgun is for home defense on threads going way back. Maybe it is time to leave the handgun at the range.

Thinking out loud, of course - that's all this is.