Re: Oregon incident.
 

The freedom to impose your views on everybody else?

Re: Oregon incident.
 

First Amendment, dear boy. That's the one that comes before the one you have sewn into your wanking sock.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

#310.
You're confusing freedom of speech with the power to tell someone else what to do and how to think, which is that absolute antithesis of the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

If the Second Amendment is going it does not seem unreasonable to nullify the first for gun nuts.

Why should we bound now by a document written 220 years ago?

Re: Oregon incident.
 

It's a two way street. I understand your bit about unintentional validation, but the NRA are doing exactly the same.

And because they are free to do so, we have to accept that they will and continue to try to make the reasonable voice be the one that carries the farthest.

Feels like a losing battle though.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

:goodpost:

Bit late now but I acknowledge you got there first.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

The Second Amendment isn't going - it just isn't as relevant now as it was when written.

Freedom is a two way street though. You get to say whatever the hell it is you're trying to say. The prohibitionists get to say theirs, and I'm stuck in the middle like Britain in the Cold War saying what I have to say.

You don't have to like it, but do at least try to find a way to deal with it.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

I'm curious, how do you view someone who states the following:

“I call on Congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed officers in every single school in this nation.”

“Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe. It’s not paranoia to buy a gun. It’s survival. It’s responsible behavior, and it’s time we encourage law-abiding Americans to do just that.”

Re: Oregon incident.
 

Come on Zargof, surely you know that nothing, but nothing is more effective at stopping a tornado than a gun ...

Honestly, I think a lot of people need to realise that "The Walking Dead" is fiction.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

Someone exercising their First Amendment rights? .... It's a trick question, right? :unsure:

My daughter's school has a recently retired police officer on the payroll as head of security. I assume he has access to a weapon, but I would never dream of asking him.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

There are some changes that I would in an ideal world support,

But as can be seen this thread there is no middle ground, the abolitionists will just look upon it as one step closed to their desired goal.

I have also seen how things have played out in Colorado where it has become a political semi religious campaign, one that has not a lot of logic to it, I can quote Politicians spouting if anybody is interested.

It is what it is, all you can do is support those at the front line.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

So you're for more Government spending then on all these extra armed officers? Seems a little uncharacteristic.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

The abolitionists will always be there, that's just a fact.

However, if you and other like minded gun owners are open to reasonable reform, let them bleat on and piss into the wind - if we reach common ground in spite of them, they'll just look like the lunatic fringe. Right now, this is also populated by a great deal on the pro-gun side.

This isn't a political issue (or it shouldn't be), it's a common sense issue. Just about every other country in the Western World has got their gun issues under control. Does it take Russia doing it for the US to get with the program, or is the sheer bloody mindedness worth it in the long run?

Re: Oregon incident.
 

I passed no opinion on what was said, though you seem to have overlooked that. ..... I have however now concluded that I was correct in surmising that it was a trick question. :rolleyes:

You also appear to have overlooked that I am already, I believe, funding an armed officer at my daughter's school.

Re: Oregon incident.
 

I am genuinely puzzled, because this sentence of yours has zero relationship with reality. Most of this thread has consisted of well intentioned folks looking for a public policy way forward, and no one has suggested abolition?