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Try #333. I am sure I could go back through and find others.

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It's not a trick question, but it seems strange that you would think that someone calling for a ban on hand guns as nutty, yet refuse to do the same when someone suggests having an armed officer in every school, or even when they recommend everyone getting guns to protect against tornadoes and hurricanes.

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There are quite a few parts of Oregon that do not have 24 hour police cover. There are parts of Oregon where you can be miles from the nearest town, and have no cell phone coverage. When I am in those parts of Oregon, I have a survival bag in my Jeep and a Glock in my pocket, because if I get into problems the only help I've got is what I can provide for myself.

Not so long ago there was a serious domestic incident in southern Oregon, not that far from Douglas County. A woman dialed 911 because her husband was trying to kill her. There was no police cover so the dispatcher started calling off duty officers at home to ask them to attend. The first one got there an hour after the initial call.

In parts of Oregon, and I am sure other States, there is a need to be able to protect oneself.

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Until 2008, it was understood that the Second Amendment provided Americans with the right to serve in the militia. In essence, it was the right to be drafted.

The current interpretation is only seven years old, and even that interpretation doesn't allow for unfettered gun access. There is a lot of revisionism on the internet; the people who talk the most about the Second Amendment know the least about it.

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Can you read? I was only saying I had no issue with the bolded text in your post. Not caring about something is not the same as wanting it banned.

You need to try a bit harder than that. I'm one of the most pro gun voices on the side advocating for more control. Find the post that states all guns must be banned as an absolute, or change your record.

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There's been a lot of discussion on this thread regarding finding some sort of middle ground to get a handle on controlling gun violence. OK, Hillary Clinton has proposed to do that largely via Executive Orders. I am concerned that Executive Orders have been misused lately to "get stuff done" that the President can't get Congress to act on. The problem is that Executive Orders can be reversed by the next President. Better to persuade Congress to pass reasonable legislation to achieve some of the goals.

Anyway, here is her plan. Most of it I could agree with, although I think 3 is meaningless and 7 is absurd. I expect to have to explain the absurdity of 7 after the blast from its supporters subsides. This gives us a starting point.


1. Universal background checks
2. Closing gun show loophole
3. Banning military-style assault weapons from the streets
4. Crackdown on sale of guns on the Internet and at gun shows
5. Prevent gun sales from going through without completed background checks
6. Laws to prohibit domestic abusers and stalkers from buying and possessing guns 7. Repeal of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Acts, to hold dealers and manufacturers accountable for negligence when crimes are committed with products they’ve sold.
Derived from: Hillary Clinton Tears Up While Unveiling Gun Control Plan - ABC News

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Part of 4 is also absurd, and presumably has been written by someone who has apparently never bought a gun on the internet, or otherwise had one shipped from out of state.

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Just can talk about Colorado

1. We have it
2. No such thing here
3. It is incredibly diifcult to buy an assault gun and as far as I am aware none have been used in an incident so why?
4. Why? I have bought through Davidsons, you buy the gun on line, delivered to your FFL and then do all the paperwork. What is the difference?
5. Did not know that could happen, sounds like a processing issue.
6. Already in force. Scary how easy it is to get someone on a DV registry btw.
7. Lawyers charter, but begs the question how a manufacturer can be held liable for a non defective product.

So remind me how ANY of these would have impacted any of the issues?

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OK, so not post #333. So, Boiler, you accept that there are no others?

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Boiler, it wouldn't have prevented either the Charleston Church tragedy, or the Oregon school shooting. Nor any of the other mass shootings, nor the weekly carnage in Chicago, Baltimore and other locations. If everything she wants passed through Congress and she signed her measures into law, it wouldn't prevent any of those tragedies because the guns are already out there in the wild.

But it might help her get elected and a lot of people would feel good about themselves because they feel they have done something. That's what this is all about, really -- people feeling good about themselves. When the next tragedies occur, they'll think of new ways - maybe propose the Australia solution - to try do do something else and feel good about themselves at that time.

You may have noticed a lot of emotion on display.

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Go back and read what he actually said.

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I have no problem with emotion, when it is confused with rationality then I am scratching my head.

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I've read what he wrote and in no way, shape or form does it support your contention that:

Please point to some posts on this thread that would lend support to this contention.

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If basic English comprehension is beyond you I give up.

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And another thing to think about before letting your child play at a friend's house. This state of affairs really isn't normal and we shouldn't be used to it or accepting of it.

And I say this with a BIL back in the UK who is as safe as houses with his hunting weapons. They are locked in one case, and the ammo is locked in a separate case in the attic. Here, however, I'm not so confident.

Before a play date, questions about gun safety - BBC News

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