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spouse of scouse Dec 3rd 2019 3:05 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12773266)


It’s beyond embarrassment. I think at this point we’re punch-drunk. Dangerous, because we’ve still got an impeachment and an election to get through.

Bloody nightmare :(

Steerpike Dec 3rd 2019 3:20 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353 (Post 12773046)
DC, Don't let political dogma cloud your thinking. Trump was handed a thriving economy from Obama. I'm not taking sides just stating a fact. You and I know that Trump likes to claim credit for everything good and attempts to deny responsibility for anything that has gone wrong. And after Trump has trashed every person of color in the world it's highly unlikely they view Trump in a positive light. I expect a record turn out from African Americans, Hispanics and Asians in the 2020 presidential elections. More than likely they will be the deciding factor and it could be ironic that his ill bred habit of bigotry motivates the very people whos vote he will need.

What it might just come down to is, just how badly or well these minority communities are doing economically by next year. One can't deny the economy is doing 'well' under Trump, regardless of who deserves credit for it. Whether this good economy is helping these communities or not is an entirely different matter.

Anian Dec 3rd 2019 3:23 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12772885)
I think Trump would be capable of doing a lot more if the hyenas yapping for his hide weren't doing their best to obstruct him. For example a fair and balanced deal with China, a lessening of tensions in eastern Europe and a long term solution to the mess which exists at the US-Mexican border. Just three so far.

He had two years of Republicans controlling every part of government, and all he did was pass a budget that gave permanent tax breaks to the rich and increase the deficit and national debt.

Your three things are bizarre. I bet you couldn't even say how the current situation with China is unbalanced. Tensions in Eastern Europe, hmm maybe buggering around with Ukraine isn't helping there. His only solution for the Mexican border is a wall and locking kids in cages - oh and calling drug runners terrorists as if that is going to magically solve the problem.

Why do you keep defending this idiot, and with the least thought-through excuses?

dc koop Dec 3rd 2019 4:26 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Anian (Post 12773284)
He had two years of Republicans controlling every part of government, and all he did was pass a budget that gave permanent tax breaks to the rich and increase the deficit and national debt.

Your three things are bizarre. I bet you couldn't even say how the current situation with China is unbalanced. Tensions in Eastern Europe, hmm maybe buggering around with Ukraine isn't helping there. His only solution for the Mexican border is a wall and locking kids in cages - oh and calling drug runners terrorists as if that is going to magically solve the problem.

Why do you keep defending this idiot, and with the least thought-through excuses?

I defend this "idiot" as you call him because the alternative to this idiot are even bigger idiots

dc koop Dec 3rd 2019 4:38 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353 (Post 12773222)
Trump insulting our western allies again today. Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

Does he have a point in stating that the NATO countries must pay their fair share of defence costs? It seems cock eyed that 30 years after the cold war ended that US Forces are still the main bulwark of defence in Europe.

The wealthy countries of the EU need to step up to the plate and take over the bulk of the cost. I just have to wonder how much could be done for everyone in the US if the money that is being spent by the US to bolster Europe's defences could be otherwise used for civilian purposes here.

civilservant Dec 3rd 2019 4:44 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
But but but..... I thought that the ICBMs can protect us? Otherwise what was the point in sinking all that money into unproductive holes in the ground?

Oh and how much is the Ohio SSN replacement going to cost the taxpayer too?

My point is the US could comfortably cut it's defense budget in half as it is if it stopping paying for shiny useless things.

dc koop Dec 3rd 2019 4:54 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353 (Post 12773046)
DC, Don't let political dogma cloud your thinking. Trump was handed a thriving economy from Obama. I'm not taking sides just stating a fact. You and I know that Trump likes to claim credit for everything good and attempts to deny responsibility for anything that has gone wrong. And after Trump has trashed every person of color in the world it's highly unlikely they view Trump in a positive light. I expect a record turn out from African Americans, Hispanics and Asians in the 2020 presidential elections. More than likely they will be the deciding factor and it could be ironic that his ill bred habit of bigotry motivates the very people whos vote he will need.

Beyond a doubt black and Hispanic Americans must have done better under Trump. The problem with Trump is that instead of reaching out to Hispanic voters with the intention of attracting them to the Republican party he has alienated them. Unlike most black voters who blindly vote for the Democrats in every election and still end up with nothing to show for their support Hispanics are still disposed to vote Republican if they believe it's the better alternative.... or let me say they once were. But that can be changed if the Republicans are smart enough to see that and what needs to be done.

dc koop Dec 3rd 2019 5:05 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12773330)
But but but..... I thought that the ICBMs can protect us? Otherwise what was the point in sinking all that money into unproductive holes in the ground?

Oh and how much is the Ohio SSN replacement going to cost the taxpayer too?

My point is the US could comfortably cut it's defense budget in half as it is if it stopping paying for shiny useless things.

It's not just ICBMs. It's boots on the ground, jet fighters, tanks, nuclear subs, destroyers. All the necessary defences for a conventional war if Russia was to physically invade the rest of the Ukraine plus the Baltic countries.

civilservant Dec 3rd 2019 5:26 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
You kind of missed my point. It's the things we choose to care about.

Unilateral nuclear disarmament would free up a whole ton of money, The US let the genie out of the bottle, they should take the lead on putting it back in IMO.

zargof Dec 3rd 2019 5:30 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
That's the end of Kamala. They're starting to drop like flies now. Not too soon either.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 3rd 2019 5:32 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/polit...bid/index.html

She was a particularly nasty candidate to be fair.

civilservant Dec 3rd 2019 5:36 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
Potential VP pick though. Biden/Harris.

zargof Dec 3rd 2019 5:57 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
A couple of things. Now that Kamala has dropped out, it means the next debate is going to be very white, and that might change if Booker qualifies, but it's looking unlikely. It seems unfortunate to me though, particularly as one of those that has qualified is Steyer who has bought his way onto the stage. And now Bloomberg is outpolling Harris after spending millions in ads. I'm not a big fan of Harris, but the situation seems absurd.

I thought, Harris would do a lot better than she did, but her whole campaign has been a disaster, I don't know how much that has to do with hiring former Clinton staffers, but I don't think it's totally coincidental. But of course, these incompetent clowns will keep getting jobs.

I suspect Harris will throw her support behind Warren, and maybe it will lead to a VP pick if Warren gets the nomination.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 3rd 2019 6:02 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
I thought Booker also was running out of money?

Kamla was basically the Black identifying Hillary so can not see her tie up with Warren.

dc koop Dec 3rd 2019 6:09 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12773352)
You kind of missed my point. It's the things we choose to care about.

Unilateral nuclear disarmament would free up a whole ton of money, The US let the genie out of the bottle, they should take the lead on putting it back in IMO.

Nice thought but it wont happen. Best scenario. Don't add to existing stockpiles or any further research into even deadlier missiles.


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