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scrubbedexpat099 Feb 8th 2020 2:20 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
An interesting report on Iowa, seems all the errors coincidentally went against Bernie, sounds familiar.

sid nv Feb 8th 2020 4:40 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12803549)
Warren is having problems in Nevada

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...ign/ar-BBZJSRP
Warren's comments come after a Politico report Thursday said six staffers had left Warren's Nevada campaign because of what is described in the story as a culture that "tokenized" minority voices.

She does not seem to have figured much in Iowa.
In the Politico story, they expressed concerns about the campaign's Latino outreach in Nevada, saying Spanish-language engagement efforts had been slow and in some cases nonexistent.
The one (repeatedly aired) Warren TV Ad I have seen in NV is in Spanish with English subtitles.

zargof Feb 8th 2020 7:15 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12803638)
Looks like this guy is a Sanders supporter. Of course thtat doesn't mean his analysis is inaccurate so I do thank you for finally producing something.
He maybe, I didn't check, but his results have been validated by others who I know are objective.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12803638)
No, it's not. The media has - correctly - focused on the SDE numbers because that's what decides the delegate count. It's only Sanders that ironically wants to use the popular vote. It'll be interesting to see whether this tactic gets repeated in other states where the popular vote isn't the sole determinant of the delegate count.
But the idea of winning the popular vote still affects the narrative as it's why Nate Silver built it into his election model, and Sanders has got a boost in his polling. So has Buttigieg of course.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12803638)
If the presidential candidates were the ones that read this forum you'd have a point. Funnily enough, they don't. So the audience for the use of the "Bernie Bros" pejorative on here is exactly the same as the audience for the pejoratives that you use on here and they are thus exactly equivalent. Imo, both the bros pejorative and the ones you use merely distract from rational debate. Why do it? Why not stick to cogent arguments as to why you think your preferred candidate is to be... well,, preferred?
It's not the reader of the insult, it's the target. If I were to say something racist but only white people heard it, does that mean it is then OK? So, yes it is different.
So this is all because you think that it detracts from the debate. I don't know why it was so hard for you just to say that. That's your opinion, that's fine. I have laid out my reasons for not liking Bloomberg before, and to be honest, I just like to have a bit of fun at his expense as well. Sorry if it bothers you, but I'm sure he'll be OK.

zargof Feb 8th 2020 7:23 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 12803486)
Dear progressives: you know who is most hoping Bernie Sanders wins the nomination? Donald Trump, that's who. 78 year old self-described "socialist" career politicians from Vermont who call for radical societal and economic change are Not. Gonna. Win.
Democrats thought Trump would be an easy candidate to beat. Not sure getting advice on who is a good candidate from the other side is always the best choice.

zargof Feb 8th 2020 7:29 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12803639)
Another very strong debate from Klobuchar tonight. I find it frustrating that she's not getting more traction but Buttigieg is. The votes from Biden's implosion have to go somewhere and they are much more likely to go to a moderate candidate than they are to Sanders or Warren. Hopefully she can at least finish ahead of Biden in New Hampshire. At this point, Biden must be praying for a win in South Carolina, where the polls still have him way ahead.
I thought it was a good debate overall, probably the best so far with all the candidates getting asked tough questions by the moderators. The question about black people disproportionately getting arrest for weed and Buttigieg and his answer was devastating. He must be at about -10% support with black people now.

There hasn't been any polling in SC after the Iowa results, so we'll have to wait to see if Biden experiences the same drop in support he has elsewhere.

Giantaxe Feb 8th 2020 10:41 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12803901)
But the idea of winning the popular vote still affects the narrative as it's why Nate Silver built it into his election model, and Sanders has got a boost in his polling. So has Buttigieg of course.
This article, written before the caucus, shows the media surveyed were going to declare the winner based on SDEs, not the popular vote, Some campaigns, including Sanders' were more equivocal. But, really, if you can't see even a smidgeon of irony in a Democratic candidate touting a popular vote win when the goal of the election was to win delegates then you really need to at least lighten up and be less defensive when your preferred candidate is being discussed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/u...es-winner.html

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12803901)
It's not the reader of the insult, it's the target. If I were to say something racist but only white people heard it, does that mean it is then OK? So, yes it is different.
So this is all because you think that it detracts from the debate. I don't know why it was so hard for you just to say that. That's your opinion, that's fine. I have laid out my reasons for not liking Bloomberg before, and to be honest, I just like to have a bit of fun at his expense as well. Sorry if it bothers you, but I'm sure he'll be OK.
I'm sure he'll be OK too. And because I doubt he reads BE, it's completely irrelevant to the point being made which was the impact such pejoratives have on discussion on this message board.

zargof Feb 9th 2020 1:24 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12803968)
This article, written before the caucus, shows the media surveyed were going to declare the winner based on SDEs, not the popular vote, Some campaigns, including Sanders' were more equivocal. But, really, if you can't see even a smidgeon of irony in a Democratic candidate touting a popular vote win when the goal of the election was to win delegates then you really need to at least lighten up and be less defensive when your preferred candidate is being discussed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/u...es-winner.html
Well no it's not ironic because there really isn't a comparison to 2016. Sanders claiming a win is pure political spin to build momentum as the nomination process goes on, and I would have expected any other campaign to do the same thing in the same circumstances. I also don't have a problem with Buttigieg claiming a win even when the results are still disputed. But when he claimed to be victorious before *any* results were know was tacky. Claiming a "popular vote" victory was all about Democrats being sad that they lost and trying to undermine Trump's victory. It's just a shame they didn't channel that sadness into making a concerted effort to abolish the electoral college. But there was no dispute about who the actual winner was in 2016.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12803968)
I'm sure he'll be OK too. And because I doubt he reads BE, it's completely irrelevant to the point being made which was the impact such pejoratives have on discussion on this message board.
It is relevant as I said because the point is the target of the pejorative rather than the audience. If the case could be made that using Little Mikey was harmful to Bloomberg then you would have a point. Clearly that isn't true. So this is a you problem.

I only post on here for my own entertainment. If people like my posts/hate my posts, that's on them.

Giantaxe Feb 9th 2020 4:26 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12804171)
Well no it's not ironic because there really isn't a comparison to 2016. Sanders claiming a win is pure political spin to build momentum as the nomination process goes on, and I would have expected any other campaign to do the same thing in the same circumstances. I also don't have a problem with Buttigieg claiming a win even when the results are still disputed. But when he claimed to be victorious before *any* results were know was tacky. Claiming a "popular vote" victory was all about Democrats being sad that they lost and trying to undermine Trump's victory. It's just a shame they didn't channel that sadness into making a concerted effort to abolish the electoral college. But there was no dispute about who the actual winner was in 2016.
Exhibit "A" that you really are unable to stop being defensive even a little about your preferred candidate.

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12804171)
It is relevant as I said because the point is the target of the pejorative rather than the audience. If the case could be made that using Little Mikey was harmful to Bloomberg then you would have a point. Clearly that isn't true. So this is a you problem.
Keep repeating that line doesn't make it any less wrong.

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12804171)
I only post on here for my own entertainment. If people like my posts/hate my posts, that's on them.
Well, it sure seems like you have some kind of need to have the "last word". So go for it...

kimilseung Feb 11th 2020 12:00 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Biden looks like toast.
Yang is toast.

scrubbedexpat091 Feb 11th 2020 12:12 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Mental Note- Don't send in ballot before mid February elections next time around.

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 11th 2020 12:21 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Looks like Yang is out

scrubbedexpat099 Feb 11th 2020 1:28 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 


Difficult to see how Bloomberg can stay in.

BritInParis Feb 11th 2020 1:54 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Hillary announcing her campaign in 3, 2, 1...

dc koop Feb 11th 2020 4:53 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12802312)
Dude. why don't just link to the Fox News website. rather than claiming these are your own thoughts.

As you are linked to MSNBC in voicing your opinions ?

Anian Feb 12th 2020 8:37 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12805346)
Difficult to see how Bloomberg can stay in.
Most people aren't informed enough to know about this, let alone have it affect their vote. It has to be something really big that lasts more than a news cycle, this was barely a blip on the radar for a day. Easily deflected in a debate that nobody will look into if they didn't already know about it.

The more I talk to people both in person and online, the more I see how little people know about the people they vote for. They vote for idiots because they never found out that they were an idiot in the first place.


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