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Ingles Mar 4th 2020 9:14 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12815914)
Warren imploded

Now down to 2 old white men.
Against 1 ego driven mentality defective old white man :p

robin1234 Mar 4th 2020 9:31 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12815914)
Now down to 2 old white men.
Assuming old white men have running mates who are much younger (Klobuchar or whoever,) then if the old white man dies or gets terminally hospitalized after inauguration, then there’s a seamless transition to the VP. But if the old white man dies or becomes totally incapacitated during the campaign, or during the transition, then what happens?

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 5th 2020 2:20 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12816349)
Assuming old white men have running mates who are much younger (Klobuchar or whoever,) then if the old white man dies or gets terminally hospitalized after inauguration, then there’s a seamless transition to the VP. But if the old white man dies or becomes totally incapacitated during the campaign, or during the transition, then what happens?
Can somebody else be parachuted in a the last minute? I do not think so. There are of course more than 2 candidates usually, just that the obvious 2 get most of the coverage.You stand I think as an individual with a party backing not as a the representative of that party.

All the big names have medical/age issues, if this is the new norm then it is going to be much more likely that the situation will arise.

Jerseygirl Mar 5th 2020 3:05 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Warren is out, no surprise there.

robin1234 Mar 5th 2020 3:24 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12816480)
Can somebody else be parachuted in a the last minute? I do not think so. There are of course more than 2 candidates usually, just that the obvious 2 get most of the coverage.You stand I think as an individual with a party backing not as a the representative of that party.

All the big names have medical/age issues, if this is the new norm then it is going to be much more likely that the situation will arise.
Yes, I think that’s accurate. I’d forgotten about the minor party candidates. Be funny if we ended up with a President from the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) because Trump and Biden both died just before the election.

Hiro11 Mar 5th 2020 6:25 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12816508)
Warren is out, no surprise there.
Did she endorse Sanders? It's unclear in the reporting I've seen.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 5th 2020 6:32 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 12816630)
Did she endorse Sanders? It's unclear in the reporting I've seen.
Has not endorsed anybody, presumably still negotiating.

Jerseygirl Mar 5th 2020 7:41 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Hiro11 (Post 12816630)
Did she endorse Sanders? It's unclear in the reporting I've seen.
not yet. Maybe she’s waiting to see who she can cut the best deal with.

BritInParis Mar 5th 2020 10:10 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 12816251)
Those particular statements are not mutually exclusive but that's not what you said up-thread.

Not sure why the need for wordplay. I'd like to have a normal conversation about who's more likely to win and why --- without it always having to devolve into unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. The DNC is not a person therefore it cannot take on human characteristics. The DNC is a shit-show full of crooked, lazy, incompetent has-beens of proportions the likes of which are only slightly outdone by the RNC. If you want to spill some tea and name some names then, please do. Which person (or persons) within the DNC said they prefer Trump over Sanders?
The same people who nobbled Sanders in 2016 so their chosen candidate could go on to lose to Trump. Plus ça change. It's not a conspiracy theory, merely an observation of patterns of behaviour. History is in the process of repeating itself because the Democratic Party and its camp followers has refused any period of introspection over the last four years preferring to blame Russian bots, 4chan and internalised misogyny.

You're not even willing to say that Bernie can beat Trump. So, at this point, I'm not even sure what exactly it is that you are saying or why. I do recognize it as exactly the same stuff that Trump has been saying all day and it's just as convoluted coming from him.

That's your opinion and I might even agree with some of it but it is an unknowable thing because Bernie didn't run against Trump in 2016 and it isn't 2016 anymore anyway.
And that's my point. Sanders had a real chance of beating Trump in 2016 but this isn't 2016 anymore. I think Trump will win regardless of the Democratic nominee but stitching it up again for their preferred establishment has-been shows the DNC would rather surrender to Trump than risk putting Sanders in the White House.

BritInParis Mar 5th 2020 10:14 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12816633)
Has not endorsed anybody, presumably still negotiating.
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12816662)
not yet. Maybe she’s waiting to see who she can cut the best deal with.
Bingo. VP on the Biden ticket for towing the party line? As Boiler said, let's see if the fix really is in.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 5th 2020 10:15 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
I feel reasonably comfortable that a good Dem candidate would be beat Trump, so the question is why are they so intent on fostering a bad one?

BritInParis Mar 5th 2020 10:15 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12815914)
Warren imploded

Now down to 2 old white men.
And Tulsi Gabbard :)

carcajou Mar 5th 2020 8:12 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12816349)
Assuming old white men have running mates who are much younger (Klobuchar or whoever,) then if the old white man dies or gets terminally hospitalized after inauguration, then there’s a seamless transition to the VP. But if the old white man dies or becomes totally incapacitated during the campaign, or during the transition, then what happens?
Party delegates convene in extraordinary session and choose a new nominee. They don't re-primary and election day does not get delayed. Sometimes a family member is chosen. Sometimes there isn't enough time to print new ballots so a vote for the deceased is counted as a vote for the new nominee. Ample precedent, 2000 Jean Carnahan, running under her husband's name, defeated John Ashcroft. 2002, the Party chose Walter Mondale when Paul Wellstone died. Etc Etc Etc.

robin1234 Mar 5th 2020 8:20 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12816843)
Party delegates convene in extraordinary session and choose a new nominee. They don't re-primary and election day does not get delayed. Sometimes a family member is chosen. Sometimes there isn't enough time to print new ballots so a vote for the deceased is counted as a vote for the new nominee. Ample precedent, 2000 Jean Carnahan, running under her husband's name, defeated John Ashcroft. 2002, the Party chose Walter Mondale when Paul Wellstone died. Etc Etc Etc.
Yes, I remember the Paul Wellstone and the Carnahan example. I didn’t know that would apply to the president, though, partly because the election for president is unique in that there’s a running mate yoked to the presidential candidate. And what would happen if this death occurred after the election but before the inauguration?

carcajou Mar 5th 2020 8:30 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by robin1234 (Post 12816846)
Yes, I remember the Paul Wellstone and the Carnahan example. I didn’t know that would apply to the president, though, partly because the election for president is unique in that there’s a running mate yoked to the presidential candidate. And what would happen if this death occurred after the election but before the inauguration?
It would apply for President, yes.

It would depend on whether the electoral college had already taken place.


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