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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 12710007)
I have not read her policy, but from what you have written, I assume refugee in context is organized from outside of the US. Asylum is from within the US
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Re: 2020 Election
Looks like there will be a big culling of candidates for the September debates:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...tember-debate/ |
Re: 2020 Election
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/a-fai...m-8fff69cd674e
Raise the refugee cap. At a time when 70 million are displaced around the world, President Trump has abused his authority to lower the refugee cap for the United States, admitting just over 22,000 refugees in total last year. I’ll welcome 125,000 refugees in my first year, and ramping up to at least 175,000 refugees per year by the end of my first term. Affirm asylum protections. We should welcome those fleeing violence, not imprison them in cages. As president, I will reverse Trump’s efforts to stack the deck against asylum applicants. I’ll ensure that asylum seekers can safely present themselves at ports of entry for humane, efficient processing, including by ending the metering and “Remain in Mexico†policies. I’ll restore President Obama’s promise to extend asylum for those fleeing domestic or gang violence and affirm asylum protections for gender identity and sexual orientation-based asylum claims. I’ll streamline processes to eliminate the backlog of individuals waiting for an asylum adjudication. And I’ll pardon those convicted of providing food and water to migrants — because no one should go to jail simply for providing humanitarian aid to another person in need. What I do not understand is why there is a limit on one and not the other. Or limits at all. Put it another way most H1b's are also subject to a cap, it would be like saying there is a cap if you apply outside the US but not if you apply in the US. So what would people do when the cap is reached, apply in the US. Can not help think I am missing something, her team must have been working on this for a long time. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12710031)
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/a-fai...m-8fff69cd674e
What I do not understand is why there is a limit on one and not the other. Or limits at all. Can not help think I am missing something, her team must have been working on this for a long time. The other is a requirement under International conventions. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 12710050)
One is discretionary, and decisions are made among cooperating International partners.
The other is a requirement under International conventions. However it is still the same people in basically the same situation, the only real difference is where you are. The difference seems to be the cost of travel, a Refugee presumably has their transportation paid whilst an Asylum Seeker has to pay to get the Port of Entry. A Refugee has the advantage of being pre processed but is subject to the wait time involved and the discretionary nature, and of course the numerical limitation. An Asylum seeker gets to come immediately and then go through the process in the US without any discretionary or numerical limitations. Just wonder what the advice would be on here if somebody was in this situation? Apply as a Refugee and if that does not work within your time frame go for Asylum seems logical. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12710053)
I understand that.
However it is still the same people in basically the same situation, the only real difference is where you are. The difference seems to be the cost of travel, a Refugee presumably has their transportation paid whilst an Asylum Seeker has to pay to get the Port of Entry. A Refugee has the advantage of being pre processed but is subject to the wait time involved and the discretionary nature, and of course the numerical limitation. An Asylum seeker gets to come immediately and then go through the process in the US without any discretionary or numerical limitations. Just wonder what the advice would be on here if somebody was in this situation? Apply as a Refugee and if that does not work within your time frame go for Asylum seems logical. There are also international agreements as to where asylum seekers can apply. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12710053)
However it is still the same people in basically the same situation,
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Re: 2020 Election
They may be outliers, but from a Venn diagram point of view most will be covered by both. Does make sense as the definition of an Asylee has changed mess to vary depending on the Court.
My first thought is that all Refugees would qualify for Asylum but maybe I am wrong. One of the complications is that the UNHCR definition is a bit vague and some places interpret it much more restrictively than US Courts have so yes you could be rejected as a Refugee but could still claim Asylum. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 12710007)
Refugee in context is organized from outside of
Asylum is from within note: Adjusted quote to reflect international agreements/standards |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12710031)
https://medium.com/@teamwarren/a-fai...m-8fff69cd674e
I got the number wrong, but not sure it matters. What I do not understand is why there is a limit on one and not the other. Or limits at all. Put it another way most H1b's are also subject to a cap, it would be like saying there is a cap if you apply outside the US but not if you apply in the US. So what would people do when the cap is reached, apply in the US. Can not help think I am missing something, her team must have been working on this for a long time. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by vespucci
(Post 12710166)
There isn't one class of refugees but two- one is the bulk of international refugees, who are not allowed to reach ports of entry, and to whom the numerical limits apply, while the other is the mainly Central Americans, who are allowed to reach ports of entry and get accepted outside the limits, which arguably is wrong because unlike most of the the first group, they do not face repression from their governments.
The morning news suggests Beto may not be around much longer and that Biden whose many focus has been attacking Trump will need to refocus. As he has been attacked on his Immigration history seems reasonable he will question others plan. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by vespucci
(Post 12710166)
There isn't one class of refugees but two- one is the bulk of international refugees, who are not allowed to reach ports of entry, and to whom the numerical limits apply, while the other is the mainly Central Americans, who are allowed to reach ports of entry and get accepted outside the limits, which arguably is wrong because unlike most of the the first group, they do not face repression from their governments.
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Boiler
(Post 12710257)
Not sure what you mean by not allowed? More an issue of it has been more difficult historically so numbers have been lower. No reason I can think of why that would continue.
The morning news suggests Beto may not be around much longer and that Biden whose many focus has been attacking Trump will need to refocus. As he has been attacked on his Immigration history seems reasonable he will question others plan. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
(Post 12710320)
Central Americans don't face repression from their governments??
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by vespucci
(Post 12710415)
They're refused visas and have no way to get anywhere near the US.
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