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BenK91

Jul 17th 2019 10:02 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12711673)

We seem to be covering this on 2 threads, comes from both directions, one of Kamala Harris's tropes.

Kamala Harris: Trump needs to go back where he came from

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...h-ebof-vpx.cnn

I don't know whose more of a whack job, AOC or Kamala Harris.

BEVS	Jul 17th 2019 10:51 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by BenK91 (Post 12711708)

I don't know whose more of a whack job, AOC or Kamala Harris.

Neither . They are both lucid individuals who speak well.

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Originally Posted by johnwoo

Has anyone here been told to go back where they came from? I have a very few times.

Yes. Me. I have. Both here in NZ & in 1960's England.

Here in New Zealand it was because my husband took someone's job and we bought a house, thereby consigning someone to the unemployed scrap heap forever and inflating the price of the entire New Zealand housing stock. Load of old brollox of course but things have improved over the past 15 years.

1950's/60's England. Daughter of an Irish mother with an English father whose parents mixed with multi nationals , including Italians and Germans , simply because they worked in hotels. Silver service and chef. That consigned us as a family to the very depth of all that was considered low by those in no better or worse positions than we were really. Shunned . Looked on as possible thieves and tinkers who consorted with dubious foreigners & who had no right to be in the country at all anyway and should go back to where the peasants came from.

That's your Trump world right now. Right out there in the open. Gloves off. Say anything. Do anything. Stick it to all those deemed unworthy anyway you can. Pandora's box lid well and truly open.

I despair.

johnwoo

Jul 17th 2019 10:54 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by BenK91 (Post 12711708)

I don't know whose more of a whack job, AOC or Kamala Harris.

Difficult one since the true answer is neither of them.

Giantaxe

Jul 17th 2019 11:58 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by BenK91 (Post 12711659)

Never happened to me, certainly to my face anyway.

I also lean pretty far to the right so, probably helps...

Never happened to me in person either, probably because I've lived in two pretty liberal places. It's certainly happened online - multiple times.

Giantaxe

Jul 17th 2019 12:01 pm

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12711726)

Neither . They are both lucid individuals who speak well.

Kamala Harris is no whack job. Her questioning on the Senate judiciary committee was perhaps the most cogent of anybody's, along with Amy Klobuchar. Easy to see why she's a hate figure on the right.

Giantaxe

Jul 17th 2019 12:10 pm

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 12711701)

The troll knows how it's different, if s/he bothered to read his/her own article. I am unsure if s/he read the article or not.

Oh, he assuredly did.

Boomhauer

Jul 17th 2019 2:51 pm

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12711740)

Kamala Harris is no whack job. Her questioning on the Senate judiciary committee was perhaps the most cogent of anybody's, along with Amy Klobuchar. Easy to see why she's a hate figure on the right.

The right will hate, for the simple reason that she is a black female Democrat. Nothing else is needed to invite the hate.

Ingles

Jul 17th 2019 10:00 pm

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12711740)

Kamala Harris is no whack job. Her questioning on the Senate judiciary committee was perhaps the most cogent of anybody's, along with Amy Klobuchar. Easy to see why she's a hate figure on the right.

Yes, she get's right under there skin, & as it's a woman who makes them feel extremly uncomfortable ,then it's classed as a "crime" by the old white men !
How dare she be so bold !
She should sit down & shut up !
But she won't & never will ,welcome to the 21st Century :thumbsup:

Lion in Winter

Jul 17th 2019 10:39 pm

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12711531)

But he hasn't changed one single persons views. It's not like there are a bunch of people walking around saying 'well I was for immigration, but now that Trump says they are MS-13 I'm not'

The fact is that everyone on that side of the fence was on that side of the fence already, he's just saying it out loud and tacitly giving others permission to do the same. In some ways it's probably a good thing to get all the hate and vitriol of the right out into the open so that it can be swatted down again in time. It's not like it just went away, people just felt uncomfortable saying it loud but still thought it.

Wrong side of the House, and wrong party, but yes I agree otherwise :nod:

He doesn't have to change people's views. He only has to legitimize and empower such views and those who have them.

And on cue, here is the baying mob obeying their great leader's whistle. Alas, poor country.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...r-back/594253/

robtuck

Jul 18th 2019 12:50 am

Re: 2020 Election

I've had the comments about being the right sort of immigrant, I'm usually pushing buttons at this point to see if they truly have that view by telling them I stole someones job when I came over. There are more than a few down here as well that have clearly racist views. That said, it exists in the UK as well, but I think it's probably called out a bit more.
Last nights birth of a new crowd slogan pretty much sets the scene for the next 18 months or so I guess. I know this is slightly over exaggerating, but it's not a big leap from where they are to a good old fashioned lynching, in terms of what would need to happen to create the environment for it. I know the country has a spotted past in this respect, because of t's growth through immigration.

Lion in Winter

Jul 18th 2019 1:05 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by robtuck (Post 12711911)

I've found that people don't think of me as an immigrant, they think of me as "British". In part I expect it's because we have a (more or less) shared first language. I have heard people express surprise that British people who are black speak with a British accent (as opposed to sounding like their idea of a Black American) - sad but true.

Boomhauer

Jul 18th 2019 1:14 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 12592831)

She needs to walk away. Frankly, I think she would get bludgeoned in the primary anyway. She had her 2 chances, Clinton fatigue has set in.

She deserves a lot of the blame for Trump being elected. She was unlikable , and only got the nomination due to the power and influence the Clintons wielded in the Democrat party. Hillary's obsession with going down in the history books as the first female candidate caused serious damage to the party.

Jerseygirl

Jul 18th 2019 1:22 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter (Post 12711916)

Seems me old mum was right when she told me I canâ€™t possibly be an immigrant, as I am British. :D

Lion in Winter

Jul 18th 2019 1:34 am

Re: 2020 Election

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12711927)

Seems me old mum was right when she told me I canâ€™t possibly be an immigrant, as I am British. :D