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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
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dc koop Dec 10th 2019 6:04 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by nain rouge (Post 12777022)
......And many, many people have the good fortune to be born to wealthy families and become trust fund babies. They spend their life after getting (ahem) "Gentlemen's C's" from the Ivy League college their father's checkbooks bought them into, going from dinner party to beach party, never having to worry if they can pay the costs of ordinary living or of a sudden serious illness. They don't work hard and they don't sacrifice.

Others don't become rich and remain poor, not because they are not willing to work hard or sacrifice (Many, maybe most, are working 65+ work weeks) but because they don't have a chance to break out of their circumstances. You can only "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" if you have bootstraps; if you are shoe-less you work to just to be able to live day-to-day.
Wealth envy is a waste of time. The rich live their life styles and they'll never give you any of their money anyway so why bother about it. I pulled myself up by the boot straps and I'm no genius. My son in law, part Mexican likes to tell the story of his great grand parents who sneaked across the Rio Grande, hiked their way to California and worked in the farm fields. Their son fought in WW2 in Europe and was discharged as a master sergeant at the end. My S.in.Ls father served in the LAPD for many years and ended up as a detective lieutenant and his son, my daughter's husband became a Captain in the USAF.

There is an actual shortage in such trades as welders, carpenters, bricklayers, roofers the manual trades that pay pretty well Young people these days after graduating from college prefer the more academic professions
Many junior colleges offer courses in the manual trades. The opportunities are there still. It just needs the will to make the effort

dc koop Dec 10th 2019 6:16 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by robtuck (Post 12777020)
I've enjoyed many $100+ days in Disney and given money to Homeless people I walk past in the street. Granted, there was a time last year when it turned out it was just a worker from the restaurant over the road taking a coffee break and sitting in the doorway.
You're a bit more affluent than me then. I find the entrance fee to Disney a bit unreasonable so haven't been for a number of years. The food is crappy and over priced also but the rest is great fun, no argument there.

I'll give an older homeless person money but not some strapping young guy who looks as if he could do an honest days work. Donating to St Jude's hospital for kids with cancer to me is more rewarding

Ingles Dec 10th 2019 9:25 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by nain rouge (Post 12777022)
......And many, many people have the good fortune to be born to wealthy families and become trust fund babies. They spend their life after getting (ahem) "Gentlemen's C's" from the Ivy League college their father's checkbooks bought them into, going from dinner party to beach party, never having to worry if they can pay the costs of ordinary living or of a sudden serious illness. They don't work hard and they don't sacrifice.

Others don't become rich and remain poor, not because they are not willing to work hard or sacrifice (Many, maybe most, are working 65+ work weeks) but because they don't have a chance to break out of their circumstances. You can only "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" if you have bootstraps; if you are shoe-less you work to just to be able to live day-to-day.
:goodpost:

Ingles Dec 10th 2019 9:57 pm
Re: 2020 Election
 
It seems Christopher Steele has even more info that has yet to be released.

https://dailysoundandfury.com/steele...m_campaign=tti

zargof Dec 11th 2019 1:24 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12777030)
Hadn't thought of this aspect before; so currently my g/f is paying $2-300 / mo for her medicare plan. Are you saying that all the current medicare recipients (the 'over 65') will start getting the same service for free? I guess that makes logical sense.
M4A will cover dental and vision as well, so it would be better coverage than she already gets.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 11th 2019 2:38 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12777207)
M4A will cover dental and vision as well, so it would be better coverage than she already gets.
Within the current premium structure?

Anian Dec 11th 2019 3:18 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Ingles (Post 12777099)
It seems Christopher Steele has even more info that has yet to be released.

https://dailysoundandfury.com/steele...m_campaign=tti
It's pretty funny how it has been revealed how much of a personal relationship Steele had with Ivanka. Maybe that's why Trump hates him so much. Or is Trump going to deny knowing Ivanka?

zargof Dec 11th 2019 4:02 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12777247)
Within the current premium structure?
Not sure what you're asking as there wouldn't be any premiums with M4A.

civilservant Dec 11th 2019 4:04 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12777283)
Not sure what you're asking as there wouldn't be any premiums with M4A.
There are premiums right now, they just have different names. Doesn't make them coming directly out of someones SS check hurt any less though.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 11th 2019 4:06 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by zargof (Post 12777283)
Not sure what you're asking as there wouldn't be any premiums with M4A.
So about $1,000 a month extra for every retired person, wow. What's not to like.

So why would anybody want to keep their policy when they get much wider cover for free?

zargof Dec 11th 2019 4:21 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12777285)
So about $1,000 a month extra for every retired person, wow. What's not to like.
Well I assume taxes on SS income would also go up, but not by that amount.
Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12777285)
So why would anybody want to keep their policy when they get much wider cover for free?
Because people would rather pay more for less benefits if they also have the illusion of choice. It's the American way.

scrubbedexpat099 Dec 11th 2019 4:27 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Well the average US retiree household has an income of about $48,000, so if we assume 2 that is a benefit of about 50%, they already of course pay taxes so not sure how much extra could be raised.

Giantaxe Dec 11th 2019 4:27 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
What happens to the current Medicare trust fund?

Giantaxe Dec 11th 2019 4:29 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Anian (Post 12777262)
It's pretty funny how it has been revealed how much of a personal relationship Steele had with Ivanka. Maybe that's why Trump hates him so much. Or is Trump going to deny knowing Ivanka?
I'm going to posit there's more to the Ivanka - Steele story than we currently know.

zargof Dec 11th 2019 4:40 am
Re: 2020 Election
 
Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12777292)
What happens to the current Medicare trust fund?
My understanding is that it would be rolled into a new universal trust fund that would pay for all the current and additional healthcare programs.


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