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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by andyrebell
(Post 12846207)
No kid or grandchild of mine will ever pledge allegiance to Donald Trump. Isn't that what they do in america in schools? When they pledge allegiance to the flag every morning aren't they in fact pledging allegiance to the president? Or do they only do that in the movies like Kindergarten Cop? And he ain't my commander and chief he is yours :hysterical:
The school where I work does not do it ever. If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic. Such a pledge is an all or nothing offering. A my country right or wrong offering. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 12846350)
No child is compelled to do the pledge, my kid didn't do it, though the school gave everyone the opportunity to do it.
The school where I work does not do it ever. If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic. Such a pledge is an all or nothing offering. A my country right or wrong offering. https://www.alternatehistory.com/for...-stands.84713/ |
Re: 2020 Election
If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic. You can agree with the reasons for the war, and not agree with the actions of the Generals. They aren't intrinsically linked in my view. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by civilservant
(Post 12846414)
I would disagree. The leader is transitory and reflects the moment. The ideals that the Republic were founded on do not.
You can agree with the reasons for the war, and not agree with the actions of the Generals. They aren't intrinsically linked in my view. |
Re: 2020 Election
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12846341)
There are not a few private schools where the pledge of allegiance is still done in the mornings. It doesn't reference the Presidence though de facto by pledge of allegiance to the Constitution, and of course mentions God. I assume, but don't know, many public schools away from the coasts may still have the Pledge as a requirement..
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Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by andyrebell
(Post 12846476)
Fair enough. Why pledge at all, why did they used to do it?.
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality.. |
Re: 2020 Election
In the mid 1980's the pledge was mandatory, you'd get in trouble for not doing it, around 4th or 5th grade the school dropped the pledge and played this land is your land each day before classes started, by 7th grade nothing was done at the start of the school day beyond the bell which really wasn't even a bell but an annoying noise.
My schools were always very diverse ethnic wise, people all over the world, so maybe that played a role in the schools I went to stopping it. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by andyrebell
(Post 12846476)
Fair enough. Why pledge at all, why did they used to do it?.
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Re: 2020 Election
It is of course always amusing to look at the Bellamy salute that accompanied the pledge at the time of its introduction and in to the 30s when it became somewhat controversial, being officially replaced in 1942, with the hand over the heart thing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bell...w=1280&bih=881 |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 12846498)
Real question?
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality.. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by kimilseung
(Post 12846498)
Real question?
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality.. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by andyrebell
(Post 12846525)
The kids will pledging Biden in 12 months. The irony of your statement above to create fear of communism. And a virus originating from one of the last communist regimes on earth has destroyed the re-election of Donald Trump a man possibly assisted into office by the activity of another communist regime. Because he as screwed this up in such a terrible way it will be hard for him to recover from it.
If I read you correctly, you think that modern day Russia is a 'another communist regime'??? Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the terms perestroika and Gorbachev. |
Re: 2020 Election
Originally Posted by zzrmark
(Post 12846532)
If I read you correctly, you think that modern day Russia is a 'another communist regime'???
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the terms perestroika and Gorbachev. Either way the actions of Russia may have helped trump get into power and the possible failures of China might help take him out of it. Were it not for the coronavirus Biden would not have a chance but Trump is really in trouble now he is leading them to rack and ruin. I think Biden would have been a better leader in this. |
Re: 2020 Election
I was gobsmacked to see this in the NYT, real journalism, somebody is in deep trouble.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/b...den-media.html
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