Originally Posted by dc koop

I'm not for open borders. Take a look at what's happened in Europe. There should be a program based on supply on demand and it should be enforced, So many farm laborers needed, domestic, housekeeping etc. The children of illegals become a liability on the State in that they must receive an education, medical attention, hospitalization and so on. We pay for it all since financially they're not able to

If a labourer wants to take the short cut to getting in here then he/she should be obliged to sign an agreement that any dependents must remain in Mexico. Many women who are expecting come in illegally so that their kids can be born here. It's not just people from Mexico. The visiting Chinese are into getting their kids born here big time.

I dont believe the Dems give a monkeys about caring for these kids. The burden fall on the individual States and Counties and of course taxpayers. The Dems see them as future voters for the party, the GOP see them as cheap labour which can be used to undermine labour unions and decent living wages.

Originally Posted by morpeth

It is so hard to understand the logic of the various arguments for or against the border situation.

1.If you say they deserve to be here, then why not bring in 10 or 20 or 30 million more ?

2.Of do they only deserve to be here if they suffered crossing the border ?

( I only ask from a policy perspective as I find the logic expressed in your post beyond my understanding. On a personal level I help a quite a few local illegals doing translation for them, most are hard-working decent people, but at least around here, they do drive down wages.)

Originally Posted by dakota44

I am sure it only matters to him because Virginia is a swing state. I could only find 10 states that do not restore voting rights after completion of parol or probation. THey are the backward ones on this matter.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

I'm all for reform, and I'm not in favor of open borders. We need a system that acknowledges the need and value of seasonal farm workers, for example. We also need a solution that acknowledges that the 10+ million that are here today aren't going anywhere. If building a physical wall is needed as part of this, then build it.

But that doesn't change the current situation; in the absence a functioning system, poor, hard working Mexicans risk their lives to come here and I don't hold that against them, and don't think there's any equivalency to the fact that I came here legally. I respect them for the risk they have taken in order to provide for their family.

Originally Posted by robin1234

Unfortunately this type of website seems to have low editorial standards.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe

"Gordon Barlow" claims to be interested in human rights. If that actually were the case, then his outrage should be directed at those states that don't restore voting rights to felons whose sentences are complete. Those individuals have paid their debt to society and it's outrageous that they are disenfranchised for life. Of course, given "Gordon Barlow's" agenda, he will remain silent on that.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

I'm all for reform, and I'm not in favor of open borders. We need a system that acknowledges the need and value of seasonal farm workers, for example. We also need a solution that acknowledges that the 10+ million that are here today aren't going anywhere. If building a physical wall is needed as part of this, then build it.

But that doesn't change the current situation; in the absence a functioning system, poor, hard working Mexicans risk their lives to come here and I don't hold that against them, and don't think there's any equivalency to the fact that I came here legally. I respect them for the risk they have taken in order to provide for their family.

Originally Posted by dc koop

There has been a Bracero program in existence for several years which allowed farm workers from Mexico to come and work on farms in the border States and return to Mexico at the end of the season but this is not the issue with illegal immigration where women cross the border either pregnant or becoming pregnant after arrival so that their kids can automatically become US citizens with all the entitlements of a US citizen. Perhaps the laws of US citizenship need to be changed to stop this abuse. A start would be that the parents of any child born in the US who are not citizens of the US but here as permanent legal residents could claim US citizenship for their kids but those who are here illegally unable to do the same and the child is a citizen of the country of the parents and unable to claim or become eligible for US citizenship.

There has been long standing abuse of the rights to claim US citizenship or become permanent residents. The marriage racket was or is one of them

Originally Posted by Steerpike

I can see now why early voting is such a hot topic and why the republicans want to limit it.

Originally Posted by Steerpike

Early voting, polling station hours question - Trump is complaining that in Nevada, they kept polling stations open till 10pm to allow 'certain voters' to vote.

What's the legal situation - if there is a long line around the block trying to get into a polling station, then surely it's valid that they would keep the doors open until AT LEAST those who had been in line since 7pm (official closing time) got to vote?

What would happen on election day if there were a line of voters outside a station and 'closing time' comes around? Do they keep the doors open? I remember Sir Eccles saying that the polling booths were overwhelmed in Phoenix due to high primary turnout among Democrats.

I can see now why early voting is such a hot topic and why the republicans want to limit it. It's much easier for a bunch of low-paid hotel workers to vote on Saturday rather than have to take time off work on election day, even though the law requires a reasonable accommodation for employees to vote.

Originally Posted by sir_eccles

For shame if people actually vote.

I think Maricopa county has had three early voting places. Two hour waits.

Originally Posted by dakota44

They had a shitload of issues in the primaries. That was one of the counties that significantly reduced the number of polling places.

Originally Posted by sir_eccles

Yes my wife was in line for 5hrs.

Originally Posted by Leslie

Trump didn't mention it at his rally. This actually makes sense. His (cult members) followers seem to only believe what he tells them and do not rely on anything resembling facts or research.

Kelly Anne Conway (Republican D-lister, about to be unemployed and unemployable) is saying that it doesn't matter, Hillary is still a liar and a criminal.