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Old Aug 4th 2016 | 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
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I saw the photos.
Why should anyone dig up Melania's past, plaster it on the internet and papers especially when she has a young son ? Trump gives enough ammunition to those against him by his own words, family members should be off limits as Cruz rightly pointed out.
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I've heard this said but I'm not convinced. There have been numerous "major" terrorist attacks recently, both here and abroad, why would another one make a difference?
Something bigger...more public...not in a dark night club.

Originally Posted by Steerpike
But just a few weeks ago (after RNC, before DNC) he was ahead of Clinton. Are we not just getting a bit caught up in the daily swings here?
I said a few days ago in this thread that a lot can happen before November. She can be flavour of the week one week...then him the next. Saying that...I'm thinking that perhaps he's going too far now and people won't forget how unpredictable and volatile he can be.

Certainly a few months ago the election was his to lose...and he seems to be doing an excellent job of losing it.
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by morpeth
Well maybe they should incessantly talk about policy positions, and at the same time about Clinton. While Trump's firing back at the Khan fellow certainly didn't show much class, the poor soldier died because of rules of engagement that precluded more forceful action to protect himself- that to me would be a bigger issue ( I have heard this from many soldiers who have served in the last few years). Both candidates seem to get a free ride in the relative lack of serious consideration of their economic plans. Yet non stop discussion of Trump's off-hand comments a bit tiresome.
I understand that you dislike the coverage but that's not evidence of Donald Trump's words being misrepresented.

As far as normal human actually part of Trump's appeal is that to many he is the more human candidate. While Clinton says how horrible it would be to build a wall at risk of offending someone, Trump says lets secure the border and build a wall. There are many "normal" people who would agree with a simple solution to a problem that has been there for decades.
I concede the argument. The word normal is subjective. Sigh.

I just searched the internet for the specific quote where Hillary said 'how horrible it would be to build a wall at risk of offending someone'.

Trump makes an off-hand comment about NATO. If that is considered a policy position, then why doesn't the press specifically ask Clinton her policy to get NATO countries to pay up ? If Trump's policy is to firmly control the border, why does the press avoid asking Clinton her plans to control the border ?
Yes, when one is running for president, stating what you would do when you become president qualifies as a policy position. That's kind of how it works.

I don't disagree that those are good questions to ask Clinton. You should submit them for the presidential debates ... and I mean that seriously. They use voter/audience questions all of the time.

Anyway Trump has shown he should count to ten or even five before he speaks, and may have some sort of medical condition ( just my opinion I am not a doctor) that he doesn't comprehend at times the questions posed to him.

Again, Sanders should be a write-in candidate !
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
Something bigger...more public...not in a dark night club.



I said a few days ago in this thread that a lot can happen before November. She can be flavour of the week one week...then him the next. Saying that...I'm thinking that perhaps he's going too far now and people won't forget how unpredictable and volatile he can be.

Certainly a few months ago the election was his to lose...and he seems to be doing an excellent job of losing it.
I have believed the same this was his election to lose, and I thought that would definitely happen at the debates- but recently he seems to have done it to himself. quite an amazing election !
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by morpeth
Why should anyone dig up Melania's past, plaster it on the internet and papers especially when she has a young son ? Trump gives enough ammunition to those against him by his own words, family members should be off limits as Cruz rightly pointed out.
A leading theory is that Trump himself leaked the pictures to distract from the Khan affair.
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I understand that you dislike the coverage but that's not evidence of Donald Trump's words being misrepresented.



I concede the argument. The word normal is subjective. Sigh.

I just searched the internet for the specific quote where Hillary said 'how horrible it would be to build a wall at risk of offending someone'.



Yes, when one is running for president, stating what you would do when you become president qualifies as a policy position. That's kind of how it works.

I don't disagree that those are good questions to ask Clinton. You should submit them for the presidential debates ... and I mean that seriously. They use voter/audience questions all of the time.
As usual you make quite logical comments which I enjoy reading even when I may disagree. This election in particular I am watching closely as I believe Clinton's election will be a turning point in American history, and also I cant imagine how the United States could choose - in my opinion - two such bad candidates.

As far as misrepresenting his words perhaps I should have chosen a better example, but I have heard so many commentaries in the general media that this was a policy that meant the Baltic nations would have to pay up before the US would defend them- the Trump interview I saw he responded to whether the US would stand up to the NATO obligations, and his response would they stand up for their obligations. I didn't take that as saying the US wouldn't stand up to its obligations, but an indication of the strong negotiating tactics he would use. I do not know whether Estonia pays its targeted share of GNP in defense spending, maybe Trump does- but the sad thing is I don't really have much confidence whether he knows.

I concede I should have phrased my comments about Hilary considering build a wall a horrible thing that would risk offending someone- it is my distinct impression since she repeatedly talks about building a bridge instead of a wall, and I have heard her supporters complain about Trump wanting to build a wall. Since I cant imagine why someone would not want to control the border, it just seems that Hilary and her supporters either want an open border, or don't want to offend anyone. I have had friends in Latin America ask me why would here be opposition to building a wall ?

In regards to a candidate's words becoming a policy in Trump's case I do not have the impression many of his comments are policies, just talking points he throws out there. And I think sub consciously may voters think the same, they are just fed up and feel he would in practice find a simple and forceful solution to problems is what attract them. On the other hand , Clinton outlines policy positions such as on trade that I do not think for one moment she intends to keep, just to attract votes. Or this silly "alternative energy super power " concept will generate thousands of jobs, we heard the same from Obama.

Submitting questions ? Interesting though I doubt the general media would accept hard questions to Clinton. My Trump question would be totally unfair " has your doctor indicated that you may have increasing problems in comprehension".
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 1:32 pm
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Long posts hurt my head.

Trump's an idiot. Now he's going on about a video of the money to Iran but has no evidence of an actual video.
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 1:33 pm
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I think Trump doesn't want to release his tax returns because he gave money to the Clinton Foundation last year.....
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 1:55 pm
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"When Slovenia sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing gold-diggers. They’re bringing plagiarists. They’re bringing college dropouts claiming to be graduates. And some, I assume, are good people."
 
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I think Trump doesn't want to release his tax returns because he gave money to the Clinton Foundation last year.....
More damning would be his financial ties And indebtedness to Russian oilgarchs.
 
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More damning would be his financial ties And indebtedness to Russian oilgarchs.

Her?
 
Old Aug 4th 2016 | 2:56 pm
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More damning would be his financial ties And indebtedness to Russian oilgarchs.
I'm almost more curious about Paul Manafort's tax returns.
 
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I'm almost more curious about Paul Manafort's tax returns.
Those would very interesting.
 
Old Aug 5th 2016 | 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I think Trump doesn't want to release his tax returns because he gave money to the Clinton Foundation last year.....
I think it may be the other way round. Choosing a candidate as horrific as Trump was the only way Hillary was going to win the election.
 
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Sorry. Zero tolerance. LOCK. HER. UP.
I believe the Trumper defence for this is that it's fine because European immigrants aren't the problem.
 


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