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Old Jul 31st 2016 | 6:29 am
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Originally Posted by Leslie
If the US system is so badly leaking, leaking like a sive, allegedly ... why has there only been one successful terrorist attack by a foreign born immigrant since 9/11?
Been a few but then I do not remember there being a major issue in the UK or France, times change.

Only thing I can be certain of is that there will be more, more frequent and more significant.
 
Old Jul 31st 2016 | 6:33 am
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Does this idiot even read the news? Ever?

Trump Thinks Russia is Not in Ukraine - The Daily Beast
 
Old Jul 31st 2016 | 7:22 am
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Trump should be questioned on possible treasonous activities. Inciting the leader of a foreign nation, not very friendly to the US either, to hack into Hillary's E-Mails is questionable behavior to say the least. He claims he was being sarcastic.

I dare say Putin see's him as a stupid American who could possibly be manipulated in the future
 
Old Jul 31st 2016 | 7:45 am
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It's crystal clear what goes on in his mind. He tells us in real time.
Some of Trump's answers are just made in a way his opponents make them mean something else. For example contributions made by NATO for their own defense- it is obvious Trump's approach has more chance of negotiating Europe paying more for its defense , than Clinton who says we will give you everything you want, and by the way can you be nice and pay a bit more ?

But......

I hate to be unfair but watching Trump comments about the "sacrifices he made" compared to the son of Khan who was killed, my first thought was does he have some sort of medical condition that causes him at times to not have the same comprehension he has on other occasions ? Forgetting whether one supports the Clinton or Trump stated plans, did anyone else have that impression ?

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Old Jul 31st 2016 | 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
Boston bombings...April 2013.

San Bernardino...December 2013. One American...One Pakistani
Right. Boston makes two.

Originally Posted by Philk
I thought the 'cannot fully vet' comment from the FBI was with regards to the Syrian refugees

The San Bernadino case was someone coming in on a visa where rigorous vetting is not applied, only the usual 9/11 strict screening

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Right. And there is a significant difference between "Syrian refugees" and "all Muslims".

IMO, anybody who can't be properly screened shouldn't be allowed to migrate to the US.

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Been a few but then I do not remember there being a major issue in the UK or France, times change.

Only thing I can be certain of is that there will be more, more frequent and more significant.
Right. And nobody is saying we shouldn't be vigilant in the screening process.
 
Old Jul 31st 2016 | 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by morpeth
Some of Trump's answers are just made in a way his opponents make them mean something else. For example contributions made by NATO for their own defense- it is obvious Trump's approach has more chance of negotiating Europe paying more for its defense , than Clinton who says we will give you everything you want, and by the way can you be nice and pay a bit more ?

But......

I hate to be unfair but watching Trump comments about the "sacrifices he made" compared to the son of Khan who was killed, my first thought was does he have some sort of medical condition that causes him at times to not have the same comprehension he has on other occasions ? Forgetting whether one supports the Clinton or Trump stated plans, did anyone else have that impression ?
Yes, I've had that impression for a while. He's clearly suffering multiple personality disorders which are being further complicated by the obvious early (or not so early) stages of some form of dementia.
 
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Originally Posted by Leslie
There is a difference between saying people need to be properly vetted and saying an entire religion should be banned. This is not rocket science.
There is no doubt that more vetting is better than less, and that law enforcement agencies use profiling in many instances to better direct their resources. Unfair to some, and inconvenient to many, but most Americans and Europeans feel more should be done in the current environment.

I am not usually a believer in most "conspiracy" type approaches to understanding current events, but I do find it surprising that more terrorist actions have not occurred in America- is it possible there is much more vetting and profiling going on, but for ideological and political correctness reasons it is kept very quiet ?
 
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes, I've had that impression for a while. He's clearly suffering multiple personality disorders which are being further complicated by the obvious early (or not so early) stages of some form of dementia.
I am not a Clinton supporter by any stretch of the imagination, so my comments are not meant from any knee-jerk opposition to Trump. And I do not know what the symptoms of multiple personality disorder are to comment on whether he shows the symptoms clinically that meet that sort of diagnosis. And on a lot of issues there are some logical reasons one can prefer his approach to that of Clinton.

Having said that you expressed what I felt better, are there early stages of dementia in Trump ? That response about "sacrifices" by Trump I find very very odd. Maybe there is an explanation I haven't considered, but I had a family member that eventually suffered from dementia who I first noticed in exactly that sort of disconnect.
 
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Originally Posted by amideislas
If you listen to the republican rhetoric, it is absolutely without any question that the country is in very deep trouble. And if you listen to Trump, it's imminently going down in flames, and only he can save it.

Now considering the billions that have been spent convincing the American public of this, despite the fact that America is still amongst the most prosperous on earth (even if it's not perfect), an there's little evidence to suggest that will change anytime soon (notwithstanding an unexpected radical change of some sort) ...

... I'm more inclined to suspect that democrats or republicans feel have been led to believe the country is on a wrong path, and are being led to fear it so much that they'll completely ignore the fact that they are about to elect a narcissistic charlatan xenophobe to lead it.
Many Americans feel the country is on a downward path more because of the reality they see around them. Declining or stagnant real wages, increased costs, drug addiction problems, etc etc- if the percentage of the top 5% takes more of any GDP growth than the lower 95% the supposed prosperity doesn't really benefit most. For example I know of a local community which I have watched for years when visiting family- before it was rare someone was on food stamps, now 25% of the inhabitants in that town, most new jobs created have been on the lower end of the pay scales, and heroin addiction on the rise. Democratic and Republican campaign propaganda didn't create the feeling country on the wrong path, reality did.
 
Old Jul 31st 2016 | 8:24 am
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I am not a Clinton supporter by any stretch of the imagination, so my comments are not meant from any knee-jerk opposition to Trump. And I do not know what the symptoms of multiple personality disorder are to comment on whether he shows the symptoms clinically that meet that sort of diagnosis. And on a lot of issues there are some logical reasons one can prefer his approach to that of Clinton.
Sorry, I worded that badly. I don't think he has Multiple Personality Disorder (Dissociative Identity Disorder) but rather numerous disorders of the personality; e.g. Narcissistic Personality disorder, Bipolar disorder, among other antisocial and sociopathic tendencies.

Having said that you expressed what I felt better, are there early stages of dementia in Trump ? That response about "sacrifices" by Trump I find very very odd. Maybe there is an explanation I haven't considered, but I had a family member that eventually suffered from dementia who I first noticed in exactly that sort of disconnect.
He seems to be having difficulty remembering much of anything other than his Don Rickles routine. Most recently he stated that he's never met Putin when he's on the record having bragged about meeting Putin in the past. When you look at old footage of him, he's comes across as fairly normal and much less screamy/shouty. I doubt he was ever really a very nice person but he did have a better grasp on reality in previous decades.
 
Old Jul 31st 2016 | 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by morpeth
There is no doubt that more vetting is better than less, and that law enforcement agencies use profiling in many instances to better direct their resources. Unfair to some, and inconvenient to many, but most Americans and Europeans feel more should be done in the current environment.

I am not usually a believer in most "conspiracy" type approaches to understanding current events, but I do find it surprising that more terrorist actions have not occurred in America- is it possible there is much more vetting and profiling going on, but for ideological and political correctness reasons it is kept very quiet ?
That's why I asked Boiler where he gets his information about the screening process. I can honestly say that I don't know the current inner-workings of the INS and doubt that anybody else posting here does either.

Either we're doing a decent job of screening potential immigrants or the threat is significantly less than what Trump is telling us. Either way it doesn't fit into the right wing pants-shitting campaign. Same thing with Mexican (illegal) immigration. Under Obama, the incoming numbers are way down and the deportations are way up ... but yet we're told a different story by Trump.
 
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Sorry, I worded that badly. I don't think he has Multiple Personality Disorder (Dissociative Identity Disorder) but rather numerous disorders of the personality; e.g. Narcissistic Personality disorder, Bipolar disorder, among other antisocial and sociopathic tendencies.



He seems to be having difficulty remembering much of anything other than his Don Rickles routine. Most recently he stated that he's never met Putin when he's on the record having bragged about meeting Putin in the past. When you look at old footage of him, he's comes across as fairly normal and much less screamy/shouty. I doubt he was ever really a very nice person but he did have a better grasp on reality in previous decades.
Leslie, what is wrong with Melania Trump - openly plagiarizing M Obamas's speech, and also lying about having a university degree, when she didn't. What's all that about. I don't get it?
 
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Sorry, I worded that badly. I don't think he has Multiple Personality Disorder (Dissociative Identity Disorder) but rather numerous disorders of the personality; e.g. Narcissistic Personality disorder, Bipolar disorder, among other antisocial and sociopathic tendencies.



He seems to be having difficulty remembering much of anything other than his Don Rickles routine. Most recently he stated that he's never met Putin when he's on the record having bragged about meeting Putin in the past. When you look at old footage of him, he's comes across as fairly normal and much less screamy/shouty. I doubt he was ever really a very nice person but he did have a better grasp on reality in previous decades.
Well I think some of those disorders you mention could be ascribed to Hilary Clinton in some ways. For example is Trump narcissistic or is it just part of his "brand", is Clinton Narcissitic or antisocial in her nature, some would say yes. Those who described both Clinton or Trump during the conventions portrayed both as nice people in their personal lives. And Trump surely should take some time before he answers questions. But maybe if Clinton had more press conferences and tried to be more honest, who knows what impression would arise ?

But I think your comments about "early dementia" does seem to explain the impression I had of his answer about "sacrifices". Ridiculous. How does "sacrifices " in giving people jobs and benefits compare to the sacrifice of someone dying for his country ? If there is some explanation I would like to hear it.

Anyway he is not going to win, and America can look to more of the same, and the same political discussions will occur 4 years from now.
 
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Leslie, what is wrong with Melania Trump - openly plagiarizing M Obamas's speech, and also lying about having a university degree, when she didn't. What's all that about. I don't get it?
I can only give my opinion. I think that spending years with a pathological liar like her husband makes lying seem normal and natural. They've lived in this strange world where, because of their wealth, nobody has really questioned all of this crazy behavior. I have had the displeasure of knowing some extremely wealthy people who behave just like this. Money will bring out people's true nature.

I know certain posters will be along in a minute to negate my comments by saying that Hillary is a liar too. The difference that I can see is that the Clinton's seem to lie mainly to protect/advance themselves, rather than just making up crazy shit for fun. This isn't very complimentary of the Clinton's but at least it makes sense.
 
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Trump should be questioned on possible treasonous activities. Inciting the leader of a foreign nation, not very friendly to the US either, to hack into Hillary's E-Mails is questionable behavior to say the least. He claims he was being sarcastic.

I dare say Putin see's him as a stupid American who could possibly be manipulated in the future
Baby photos and recipes?, where is the harm in reading her deleted emails?
 


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