2016 Election
Mar 15th 2016 | 4:49 am
#5941
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From: Peachy
Re: 2016 Election
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...colleges-obama
Mar 15th 2016 | 4:54 am
#5942
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Re: 2016 Election
Ah I see Trump is already claiming he never promised to pay legal fees despite video showing him doing just that.
Also Ben Carson is claiming he will be an advisor to president Trump. Dog help us all.
Also Ben Carson is claiming he will be an advisor to president Trump. Dog help us all.
Mar 15th 2016 | 4:56 am
#5943
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Re: 2016 Election
You know what's funny. Clinton's surrogates have been using this talking point...
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...colleges-obama
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...colleges-obama
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Mar 15th 2016 | 5:00 am
#5944
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From: Peachy
Re: 2016 Election
I have to agree that the current burden of student debt is insane. I believe that part of the reason is that colleges and universities appear to be immune to market forces and that immunity is fueled by the ease with which student loans can be obtained - and which put the young graduates into a lifelong yoke that they can't even escape through bankruptcy.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:01 am
#5945
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Re: 2016 Election
I believe one's political leaning is innate, much like being right-handed or left-handed, but has nothing to do with one's ability to think and process information. Yes, it colours one's Weltanschauung, but only a fool assumes his opponent is more stupid than he is.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:04 am
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Re: 2016 Election
I actually agree with most of what you say. I would add though that another major issue is that it seems practically any job above the level of barista/burger flipper these days seems to require a minimum of a degree. So for kids that actually want a decent prospect they have no choice to get a degree and be burdened with debt. Why is this? Have these jobs got more difficult? Are high schools churning out worse graduates? Or are employees just demanding more qualified candidates for the same job because they can? I would say it's probably a combination of the three.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:07 am
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Re: 2016 Election
I have to agree that the current burden of student debt is insane. I believe that part of the reason is that colleges and universities appear to be immune to market forces and that immunity is fueled by the ease with which student loans can be obtained - and which put the young graduates into a lifelong yoke that they can't even escape through bankruptcy.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
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Mar 15th 2016 | 5:09 am
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Mar 15th 2016 | 5:20 am
#5951
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Re: 2016 Election
If you don't want the criticism, then it is your responsibility to improve your game. Right-wingers love to talk about personal responsibility, now it's time to walk the walk.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:22 am
#5952
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Re: 2016 Election
I actually agree with most of what you say. I would add though that another major issue is that it seems practically any job above the level of barista/burger flipper these days seems to require a minimum of a degree. So for kids that actually want a decent prospect they have no choice to get a degree and be burdened with debt. Why is this? Have these jobs got more difficult? Are high schools churning out worse graduates? Or are employees just demanding more qualified candidates for the same job because they can? I would say it's probably a combination of the three.
While I applaud the expansion of further education, unfortunately it does devalue the bachelors. Add on to that the disappearance of many corporate training schemes to be replaced by employers demanding entry level positions to be filled by experienced people.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:25 am
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Re: 2016 Election
I have to agree that the current burden of student debt is insane. I believe that part of the reason is that colleges and universities appear to be immune to market forces and that immunity is fueled by the ease with which student loans can be obtained - and which put the young graduates into a lifelong yoke that they can't even escape through bankruptcy.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
But I do agree that Student Debts should not be guaranteed by the Government or immune unlike all other debts.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:27 am
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From: Peachy
Re: 2016 Election
Bernie Sanders' support for black colleges questioned
What are you trying to do here? Clinton's campaign comes out with some BS about BS. Likewise, Sanders' campaign does the same about Clinton. It's politics.
It seems like you saw the post coming from a conservative poster and dismissed the idea as right wing nonsense. Now you find the idea is being peddled by the Clinton campaign, you're trying to distract from that point.
Mar 15th 2016 | 5:27 am
#5955
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Re: 2016 Election
I have to agree that the current burden of student debt is insane. I believe that part of the reason is that colleges and universities appear to be immune to market forces and that immunity is fueled by the ease with which student loans can be obtained - and which put the young graduates into a lifelong yoke that they can't even escape through bankruptcy.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
Even more serious is the total uselessness of many of the degrees, including most of the liberal arts degrees. That's why your local Starbucks barrista is likely to hold a college degree. As a result, many are forced, with the assistance of further student loans, to seek quaternary education for a law degree, MBA, medical degree or a masters or PhD in one of the sciences.
To advocate for the Devil himself, if the government were to immediately forgive all student loans, most of which are now financed or insured through the federal government, it would unlock an enormous surge in buying power with the young being able to afford new homes, cars and so forth.
Ending the heroin of easy student loans for their victims - the students - would force colleges and universities to kick the habit of raising their tuition, building fancy new buildings and ending the practice of allowing tenured professors to actually teach only a few hours a week, while the students are mostly taught by the non-tenured, graduate students and ad hoc lecturers.
What complicates education is that it does not lend itself to new suppliers coming into the market. The buyers of education are rightly skeptical of for-profit education providers, which favors the legacy providers and limits the ability of new entrants into the market.
What we should do is to reduce the demand for post-secondary education by improving secondary education. That should include accepting the fact that not everyone should be on a college prep single track.
This is one area in which liberals deserve the blame. The lack of support for vocational training creates an underclass of have-nots who can't get more than minimum wage work due to their poor performance in school. When the dropout rate is as high as it is, then we should be asking ourselves why public schools produce a product that is being rejected by so many even though it is free to the consumer.
