2016 Election
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Pretty sure the Sturmabteilung (brown shirts) did this sort of thing on behalf of Hitler, .i.e. showed up at the Nazi's opponents' rallies to disrupt them and provoke violence. The irony is clearly lost on these scum bags and those who support them behind the comfort of a computer screen
"“He deserved it,†the assailant, John McGraw, told the television program “Inside Edition†after the confrontation, which was captured on video from several angles. “Next time, we might have to kill him.â€
Mr. McGraw was charged with assault and battery and disorderly conduct, and the authorities said they were also preparing to charge him with communicating a threat.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us...T.nav=top-news
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Wtf was Clinton thinking on this? She couldn't have been more wrong. I remember those days when the AIDS epidemic started to ravage communities here and the Reagans, along with Ed Meese, did everything in their power to turn their back on those infected:
Hillary Clinton apologizes for calling Nancy Reagan a 'very effective, low-key' AIDS advocate - CNNPolitics.com
Hillary Clinton apologizes for calling Nancy Reagan a 'very effective, low-key' AIDS advocate - CNNPolitics.com
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Thanks for eventually agreeing with me it's expensive. America has lots of expensive places, also. NYC is only 2nd to London as most expensive city in the world, go down to Florida though and you can get a 3 bed house in a gated community for 200 grand
As for healthcare, I'd rather pay my insurance premiums and get 1st class treatment versus chancing my luck on Canadian waiting lists
Ultimately, Canada is for people who can't get into America, that's why so many Brits end up there. Bit like Australia in that respect. It's also yet to fully cut the colonial apron strings so is like the UK on a lot of the things, the cost of living being the most obvious one. Terrible beer another. Terrible TV another. The list goes on
As for healthcare, I'd rather pay my insurance premiums and get 1st class treatment versus chancing my luck on Canadian waiting lists
Ultimately, Canada is for people who can't get into America, that's why so many Brits end up there. Bit like Australia in that respect. It's also yet to fully cut the colonial apron strings so is like the UK on a lot of the things, the cost of living being the most obvious one. Terrible beer another. Terrible TV another. The list goes on
Well I can go back to the US at anytime I want to, nobody there to stop me. I was born and raised there and spent 25 of my 36 years there.
My quality of life is better in Canada, something do cost more, but are offset by not spending hundreds on medical costs.
I never deny Canada costs more, but the costs are not the extreme some want to make it seem.
As for healthcare, most of what is reported are scare tactics to scare american's, yes there are waiting lists, and yes they are triage, if its serious and life threatening and the doctor diagnoses correctly, well your not waiting.
My wife had gall bladder surgery within 3 days, the "wait lists" say the wait was 8 weeks, but of course they triage, so those who can wait do, and that is how a medical system should work.
Oh well all I ever got from the US system was a large bill and bankruptcy and I had insurance.
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Well I can go back to the US at anytime I want to, nobody there to stop me. I was born and raised there and spent 25 of my 36 years there.
My quality of life is better in Canada, something do cost more, but are offset by not spending hundreds on medical costs.
I never deny Canada costs more, but the costs are not the extreme some want to make it seem.
As for healthcare, most of what is reported are scare tactics to scare american's, yes there are waiting lists, and yes they are triage, if its serious and life threatening and the doctor diagnoses correctly, well your not waiting.
My wife had gall bladder surgery within 3 days, the "wait lists" say the wait was 8 weeks, but of course they triage, so those who can wait do, and that is how a medical system should work.
Oh well all I ever got from the US system was a large bill and bankruptcy and I had insurance.
My quality of life is better in Canada, something do cost more, but are offset by not spending hundreds on medical costs.
I never deny Canada costs more, but the costs are not the extreme some want to make it seem.
As for healthcare, most of what is reported are scare tactics to scare american's, yes there are waiting lists, and yes they are triage, if its serious and life threatening and the doctor diagnoses correctly, well your not waiting.
My wife had gall bladder surgery within 3 days, the "wait lists" say the wait was 8 weeks, but of course they triage, so those who can wait do, and that is how a medical system should work.
Oh well all I ever got from the US system was a large bill and bankruptcy and I had insurance.
By our standards - at the Philadelphia Hand Center for example - that is totally arse-backwards. You should always, always get an MRI, or at least an x-ray of the hand before poking around, trying to release the tendon sheath. I asked her husband why he doesn't change his family physician, who he is always complaining about. His response, "I can't, there are hardly any doctors here as it is. There aren't enough doctors in Canada, we can't choose."
Can't wait for BC-level care to come here to the States.
What most here don't understand is that Canada doesn't have a uniform national health system. Maybe you could explain to us why and how each Province has its own system and how people who go from, say BC or Alberta to Prince Edward Island on vacation and suddenly need care, might not have full coverage. Mention also, that although prescriptions in Canada are relatively low cost, the patient might have to pay for them out of pocket, while you're at it.
Last edited by FlaviusAetius; Mar 12th 2016 at 2:03 am.
#5797
My 72 year-old cousin, who lives in the town adjacent to Butchart Gardens - you would know where that is - has had mixed results with her Canadian health care. On the one hand, she is receiving Remicade infusions for little cost (free under our Medicare, see Patient & Insurance Support FAQs | REMICADE® (infliximab) ), based on the fact of her retirement and income level. On the other hand, she has been treated for trigger finger by a "hand specialist" who had to stop his ministrations half way through so he could have x-rays taken of her hand to see whether her problem is complicated by arthritis. That was a couple of weeks ago. She's been in pain since, waiting for Step Two scheduled for next week, now that he has an x-ray.
By our standards - at the Philadelphia Hand Center for example - that is totally arse-backwards. You should always, always get an MRI, or at least an x-ray of the hand before poking around, trying to release the tendon sheath. I asked her husband why he doesn't change his family physician, who he is always complaining about. His response, "I can't, there are hardly any doctors here as it is. There aren't enough doctors in Canada, we can't choose."
Can't wait for BC-level care to come here to the States.
What most here don't understand is that Canada doesn't have a uniform national health system. Maybe you could explain to us why and how each Province has its own system and how people who go from, say BC or Alberta to Prince Edward Island on vacation and suddenly need care, might not have full coverage. Mention also, that although prescriptions in Canada are relatively low cost, the patient might have to pay for them out of pocket, while you're at it.
By our standards - at the Philadelphia Hand Center for example - that is totally arse-backwards. You should always, always get an MRI, or at least an x-ray of the hand before poking around, trying to release the tendon sheath. I asked her husband why he doesn't change his family physician, who he is always complaining about. His response, "I can't, there are hardly any doctors here as it is. There aren't enough doctors in Canada, we can't choose."
Can't wait for BC-level care to come here to the States.
What most here don't understand is that Canada doesn't have a uniform national health system. Maybe you could explain to us why and how each Province has its own system and how people who go from, say BC or Alberta to Prince Edward Island on vacation and suddenly need care, might not have full coverage. Mention also, that although prescriptions in Canada are relatively low cost, the patient might have to pay for them out of pocket, while you're at it.
The system here is not perfect but having lived here for more than 30 years I value it well above what I would have had in the U.S.
In all those years I never paid a doctor bill or a hospital or emergency bill...and that included 7 kudney stone attacks, 3 hospitalizations and 1 surgery. Add to that hospitalization of 2 daughters along with frequent emerg visits as well as heart issues of my ex. When I had to make a nimber of drives to Toronto for specialist care for an eye problem..I even got paid mileage.
Every service I received was very good and prompt. With just mt frequent kidney stone issues I would have been bankrupted in the U.S.
As for vacationing in Canada...you are covered by your Provincial plan. If I go to BC and end up in emergency..they bill OHIP the Ontario. I am moving to BC and remain covered by OHIP for 3 months to allow the switch to the BC plan.
As for prescriptions...low income people and seniors are eligable for assistance.
I will take Canadian health care over U.S. any day.
#5798
This is the problem with the people who oppose universal health care. They'll point to some anecdotal evidence that another health care system isn't perfect and use that as a reason why universal health care won't work. But they fail to acknowledge the problems with the US system.
No health care system is perfect, but there are many that are better than what we have now.
No health care system is perfect, but there are many that are better than what we have now.
#5800
Wtf was Clinton thinking on this? She couldn't have been more wrong. I remember those days when the AIDS epidemic started to ravage communities here and the Reagans, along with Ed Meese, did everything in their power to turn their back on those infected:
Hillary Clinton apologizes for calling Nancy Reagan a 'very effective, low-key' AIDS advocate - CNNPolitics.com
Hillary Clinton apologizes for calling Nancy Reagan a 'very effective, low-key' AIDS advocate - CNNPolitics.com
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The system here is not perfect but having lived here for more than 30 years I value it well above what I would have had in the U.S.
In all those years I never paid a doctor bill or a hospital or emergency bill...and that included 7 kudney stone attacks, 3 hospitalizations and 1 surgery. Add to that hospitalization of 2 daughters along with frequent emerg visits as well as heart issues of my ex. When I had to make a nimber of drives to Toronto for specialist care for an eye problem..I even got paid mileage.
Every service I received was very good and prompt. With just mt frequent kidney stone issues I would have been bankrupted in the U.S.
As for vacationing in Canada...you are covered by your Provincial plan. If I go to BC and end up in emergency..they bill OHIP the Ontario. I am moving to BC and remain covered by OHIP for 3 months to allow the switch to the BC plan.
As for prescriptions...low income people and seniors are eligable for assistance.
I will take Canadian health care over U.S. any day.
In all those years I never paid a doctor bill or a hospital or emergency bill...and that included 7 kudney stone attacks, 3 hospitalizations and 1 surgery. Add to that hospitalization of 2 daughters along with frequent emerg visits as well as heart issues of my ex. When I had to make a nimber of drives to Toronto for specialist care for an eye problem..I even got paid mileage.
Every service I received was very good and prompt. With just mt frequent kidney stone issues I would have been bankrupted in the U.S.
As for vacationing in Canada...you are covered by your Provincial plan. If I go to BC and end up in emergency..they bill OHIP the Ontario. I am moving to BC and remain covered by OHIP for 3 months to allow the switch to the BC plan.
As for prescriptions...low income people and seniors are eligable for assistance.
I will take Canadian health care over U.S. any day.
If everyone received as much from the Canadian healthcare system as you and your family did it would crumble overnight. This is the problem with socialized healthcare - it turns to shit if too many people show up to the hospital. Have a look at the UK for evidence of this which is a tiny country in the grand scheme of things. Funds its universal health service to the tune of billions, it's by far and away that country's biggest tax burden, is the world's 5th biggest employer in fact. Yet is falling apart at the seems and has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the western world, breast cancer survival rates in particular are far worse in the UK compared to America
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#5802
Congratulations on receiving $100,000s in healthcare, I'm glad my taxes didn't pay for it
If everyone received as much from the Canadian healthcare system as you and your family did it would crumble overnight. This is the problem with socialized healthcare - it turns to shit if too many people show up to the hospital. Have a look at the UK for evidence of this which is a tiny country in the grand scheme of things. Funds its universal health service to the tune of billions, it's by far and away that country's biggest tax burden, is the world's 5th biggest employer in fact. Yet is falling apart at the seems and has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the western world, breast cancer survival rates in particular are far worse in the UK compared to America
If everyone received as much from the Canadian healthcare system as you and your family did it would crumble overnight. This is the problem with socialized healthcare - it turns to shit if too many people show up to the hospital. Have a look at the UK for evidence of this which is a tiny country in the grand scheme of things. Funds its universal health service to the tune of billions, it's by far and away that country's biggest tax burden, is the world's 5th biggest employer in fact. Yet is falling apart at the seems and has some of the worst cancer survival rates in the western world, breast cancer survival rates in particular are far worse in the UK compared to America
#5803
The system here is not perfect but having lived here for more than 30 years I value it well above what I would have had in the U.S.
In all those years I never paid a doctor bill or a hospital or emergency bill...and that included 7 kudney stone attacks, 3 hospitalizations and 1 surgery. Add to that hospitalization of 2 daughters along with frequent emerg visits as well as heart issues of my ex. When I had to make a nimber of drives to Toronto for specialist care for an eye problem..I even got paid mileage.
Every service I received was very good and prompt. With just mt frequent kidney stone issues I would have been bankrupted in the U.S.
As for vacationing in Canada...you are covered by your Provincial plan. If I go to BC and end up in emergency..they bill OHIP the Ontario. I am moving to BC and remain covered by OHIP for 3 months to allow the switch to the BC plan.
As for prescriptions...low income people and seniors are eligable for assistance.
I will take Canadian health care over U.S. any day.
In all those years I never paid a doctor bill or a hospital or emergency bill...and that included 7 kudney stone attacks, 3 hospitalizations and 1 surgery. Add to that hospitalization of 2 daughters along with frequent emerg visits as well as heart issues of my ex. When I had to make a nimber of drives to Toronto for specialist care for an eye problem..I even got paid mileage.
Every service I received was very good and prompt. With just mt frequent kidney stone issues I would have been bankrupted in the U.S.
As for vacationing in Canada...you are covered by your Provincial plan. If I go to BC and end up in emergency..they bill OHIP the Ontario. I am moving to BC and remain covered by OHIP for 3 months to allow the switch to the BC plan.
As for prescriptions...low income people and seniors are eligable for assistance.
I will take Canadian health care over U.S. any day.
Here, some years after the enactment of Obamacare - whose proponents pointed to 33 million without insurance - we still have 29 million with no coverage. Why? Can it be made better, if so, how? Ideas? Expand Medicare to cover everyone as Bernie proposes? Wouldn't that require rationing health care to avoid bankrupting the nation?
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#5804
A lot of Sanders supporters are saying that if he doesn't get the nomination they will sit out the election....totally childish. In their snit they would choose to doom the country to a Trump presidency. Really smart. They showed up by the thousands to protest trump...but they would hand him the oval office by staying home on election day. Hopefully Sanders, should he lose, will talk some sense to them. If he does not, then he will just be a sore loser.
Bill Maher did a good job of taking them to task for it.
Bill Maher did a good job of taking them to task for it.
Last edited by dakota44; Mar 12th 2016 at 8:54 am.
#5805
A Trump supporter yelling at black protestors to go back to Africa. Good Lord.
Donald Trump has served a strange purpose in this election. It was heavily speculated that black voter turnout would diminish with the end of the Obama era. They're looking pretty motivated to me.
Donald Trump has served a strange purpose in this election. It was heavily speculated that black voter turnout would diminish with the end of the Obama era. They're looking pretty motivated to me.



