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dakota44 Mar 6th 2016 2:04 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11888185)
You're talking about Trump

The others have lots of substance but you obviously have to take the blinkers off to appreciate that

Yeah...Rubios stand up comic routine was so much substance. They all stand on stage and insult each other. No substance there

Giantaxe Mar 6th 2016 2:06 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11888189)
Yeah...Rubios stand up comic routine was so much substance. They all stand on stage and insult each other. No substance there

Aside from Kasich... I disagree with his policies towards women but give him credit for not joining the rest in a school yard "debate".

dakota44 Mar 6th 2016 2:08 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11888192)
Aside from Kasich... I disagree with his policies towards women but give him credit for not joining the rest in a school yard "debate".

He was the adult in the room

Steerpike Mar 6th 2016 2:08 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11888172)
Much easier to have a debate on substance when there's only 2 candidates

That was a fair analysis during the earlier R debates, but at this point, the R debates have been pretty much Trump/Cruz/Rubio, so not much difference in participation levels. It's just a simple fact that Sanders is NOT willing to drag the debate into the gutter - in much the way Kasich TRIES to behave in the R debates (if only he got time to talk!).


Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11888150)
Regardless, it's an absurd notion gun manufacturers should be liable for homicides and would set a dangerous precedent. Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is a retard

Should car manufacturers be liable for defects in their products? Would you disagree that cars have improved in terms of safety due to the fact they are liable for such issues? Or do you think cars would be 'so much better' if only they didn't have to deal with pesky lawsuits ?

If the gun industry applied the same innovation and technology that has been applied to the car industry I would suspect we could have guns that could only be operated by the legal owner, as an example. And if that means you can't buy a gun for $50, so be it.

dakota44 Mar 6th 2016 2:12 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11888194)
That was a fair analysis during the earlier R debates, but at this point, the R debates have been pretty much Trump/Cruz/Rubio, so not much difference in participation levels. It's just a simple fact that Sanders is NOT willing to drag the debate into the gutter - in much the way Kasich TRIES to behave in the R debates (if only he got time to talk!).


Should car manufacturers be liable for defects in their products? Would you disagree that cars have improved in terms of safety due to the fact they are liable for such issues? Or do you think cars would be 'so much better' if only they didn't have to deal with pesky lawsuits ?

If the gun industry applied the same innovation and technology that has been applied to the car industry I would suspect we could have guns that could only be operated by the legal owner, as an example. And if that means you can't buy a gun for $50, so be it.

There are guns that can only be operated by their owners...but the NRA fights tooth and nail to prevent it from becoming mandatory

Steerpike Mar 6th 2016 2:13 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
I heard Sanders say he was Jewish; I thought earlier he had said he was an Atheist? I hoped he would have downplayed the role of religion in the presidency more in his answer.

sir_eccles Mar 6th 2016 2:18 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11888199)
I heard Sanders say he was Jewish; I thought earlier he had said he was an Atheist? I hoped he would have downplayed the role of religion in the presidency more in his answer.

"Jewish atheist" is actually a well recognised term.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 6th 2016 2:19 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
Hillary going after the Evangelical vote was hilarious, and I though would have stuck in the crawl of some of the zealots on here.

dakota44 Mar 6th 2016 2:20 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11888210)
Hillary going after the Evangelical vote was hilarious, and I though would have stuck in the crawl of some of the zealots on here.

Was she just asking them to be sane for a change?

Leslie Mar 6th 2016 2:21 pm

2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11888192)
Aside from Kasich... I disagree with his policies towards women but give him credit for not joining the rest in a school yard "debate".

Arnie endorsed Kasich today. Let's just unpack that. Schwarzenegger is slotted to take over the Donald spot on that stupid TV show. This all comes amidst the brew haha over the GOPs desperate need to have Kasich win Ohio.

kimilseung Mar 6th 2016 2:46 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11888199)
I heard Sanders say he was Jewish; I thought earlier he had said he was an Atheist? I hoped he would have downplayed the role of religion in the presidency more in his answer.

He has to the best of my knowledge never claimed to be atheist, spiritual, but not religious is what I remember him saying a month or two back. But the Jewish bit is an ethnic term rather than a religious one.

themadpooper Mar 6th 2016 3:01 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11888194)
That was a fair analysis during the earlier R debates, but at this point, the R debates have been pretty much Trump/Cruz/Rubio, so not much difference in participation levels. It's just a simple fact that Sanders is NOT willing to drag the debate into the gutter - in much the way Kasich TRIES to behave in the R debates (if only he got time to talk!).


Should car manufacturers be liable for defects in their products? Would you disagree that cars have improved in terms of safety due to the fact they are liable for such issues? Or do you think cars would be 'so much better' if only they didn't have to deal with pesky lawsuits ?

If the gun industry applied the same innovation and technology that has been applied to the car industry I would suspect we could have guns that could only be operated by the legal owner, as an example. And if that means you can't buy a gun for $50, so be it.

Not sure how it's the fault of gun manufacturers that a mentally ill 20 year old got hold of his mother's guns and shot dead a bunch of kids as in Sandy Hook but yeah, that was totally the fault of Bushmaster, etc.

Steerpike Mar 6th 2016 3:21 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11888232)
He has to the best of my knowledge never claimed to be atheist, spiritual, but not religious is what I remember him saying a month or two back. But the Jewish bit is an ethnic term rather than a religious one.

I just looked for the actual words; not sure if this is 100% accurate, but looks about right:


... a retired school administrator, asked Sanders how relevant God was in his life

“When we talk about God,” Sanders said, “what we are talking about is what all religions hold to be true, and that is to do unto others what you would like them to do unto you. I’m here tonight because I believe that.”

.. saying his faith is an “essential part of who I am as a human being."
So fair enough, he's a man of 'faith' and he embraces the essence of all religions ... still not bad for a presidential candidate!

Steerpike Mar 6th 2016 3:32 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11888243)
Not sure how it's the fault of gun manufacturers that a mentally ill 20 year old got hold of his mother's guns and shot dead a bunch of kids as in Sandy Hook but yeah, that was totally the fault of Bushmaster, etc.

In that particular situation, perhaps requiring people to keep their guns secure would have done the trick - a number of prosecutions of people who don't keep their guns safe might change matters. But if, over the past 100 years, gun manufacturers had spent times making guns only work for the intended, legal owner, then yes, that mentally ill person may not have been able to operate those guns.

Today, I can get into my car in a completely drunken state, drive irresponsibly, and smash into other cars. This is clearly my fault, but still, several decades of safety improvements have led to a situation where the amount of damage I could do is likely way less than if cars were exactly as they were 50 years ago.

Anyway - I don't want to turn this into yet another gun thread so I'll let it drop.

scrubbedexpat099 Mar 6th 2016 3:34 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11888243)
Not sure how it's the fault of gun manufacturers that a mentally ill 20 year old got hold of his mother's guns and shot dead a bunch of kids as in Sandy Hook but yeah, that was totally the fault of Bushmaster, etc.

I cut myself on a kitchen knife, obviously a manufacturing defect, inherently dangerous product with absolutely no safety features, unlike say, a gun.

How do these manufacturers get away with it?


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