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Re: 2016 Election

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11887849)

At the brokered convention...can a 3rd person be added...someone who hasn't been in the running up to that date?

If nobody wins a majority of delegates in the first round of voting, then most of the delegates are free during the subsequent rounds to switch their votes to whoever they want who is eligible.

What complicates this is that the GOP added a "Rule 40" that mandates that only those candidates who have won majorities in at least eight states are eligible. (I suppose that they could rescind this if they wished -- it isn't a legal requirement.) This makes the winner-take-all states particularly important, as many of the states that are not winner-take-all are not giving majorities to anyone.

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Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 11887879)

Hi.

Lay in this morning?

I prefer to think of it as a very early Sunday nap.

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Wasn't the whole Federal system set up to stop these demagogues? At least that is kind of my interpretation of documents like Federalist Paper #10

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Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 11887902)

Wasn't the whole Federal system set up to stop these demagogues? At least that is kind of my interpretation of documents like Federalist Paper #10

Hamilton not only didn't contemplate having a primary system, but he was hoping to avoid having political parties altogether. That obviously worked out well...

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11887871)

Where is the democracy...when the GOP decides against US citizens' wishes...that they will decide who will run for President?

Just like you don't get to vote for who is the CEO of Apple, you never used to be able to vote for who was the nominee for the GOP or the Dems. They are private organizations and can propose who they wish. But recently (and it is quite recent) parties have agreed to use a semi-consistent 'primary' format, and as such, are bound by 'public' rules. Caucuses still exist because not all states want to play by the rules. The 'incentive' to participate in 'standardized' primaries is that the govt. will fund the primary. (I've just been reading about this so others can correct/refine my answer!)

I was reading about the Democratic Convention of 1968, where we had massive riots in the streets. The nominee didn't even participate in the primaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_D...nal_Convention

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Vice President Hubert Humphrey then entered into the race, but did not compete in any primaries, compiling his delegates in caucus states that were controlled by party leaders

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When it came to choosing a candidate, on one side stood supporters of Senator McCarthy, who ran a decidedly anti-war campaign and who was seen as the peace candidate. On the other side was Vice President Humphrey, who was seen as the candidate who represented the Johnson point of view. In the end, the Democratic Party nominated Humphrey. Even though 80 percent of the primary voters had been for anti-war candidates, the delegates had defeated the peace plank by 1,567Â¾ to 1,041Â¼. The perceived cause of this loss was the result of Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley, and President Johnson pulling strings behind the scenes. Humphrey, even though he had not entered a single primary, had won the Democratic nomination, and went on to lose the election to the Republican Richard Nixon

I don't know if it was the debacle of this convention that triggered the reforms.

Obviously, though, if you ask people to vote, and you then ignore that vote, you are asking for trouble regardless of what the 'rules' are. Presumably that is why Humphrey lost to Nixon ...?

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11887913)

I don't know if it was the debacle of this (1968) convention that triggered the reforms.

Yes.

Also, the president isn't a prime minister; a president is supposed to also represent the states, not just the people. The idea was that a president should not show favoritism to one particular state, nor should those who are popular in high-population states end up winning by default. Support for a president is supposed to be broad, which includes geographic dispersion.

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Trump vs Bernie would be an utter entertainment! It would be interesting to see what type of lunacy triumphs the United States of A...jolly good times ahead, I better renew my passport :p

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Any chance someone could start a "Slap an Evangelical" day ?

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Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11886470)

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If people want to leave the greatest country in the world because the potential president says things that don't fit in with their idyllic liberal view of the world, then I hope they close the door on their way out

In fairness, people aren't talking about leaving just because a Republican may win. No one on this forum (as far as I know) suggested leaving due to a potential McCain win in 2008, or a potential Romney win in 2012; nor are they horrified now by the thought of a Kasich win or a JEB win; we are talking here specifically about a TRUMP win - a man who has openly advocated war crimes, torture, arresting and deporting 12 million people, among other crazy things.

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Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11888026)

Not to mention that his own party finds him revolting.

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Democratic debate on CNN tonight.

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11888047)

Democratic debate on CNN tonight.

I can't bear to listen to her voice. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11888048)

I can't bear to listen to her voice. :lol:

But she speaks so fondly of you.

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 11888048)

I can't bear to listen to her voice. :lol:

Perhaps you would prefer Donald Trump with an English accent:

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Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 11888047)

Democratic debate on CNN tonight.

Excellent. I can't wait to listen to her voice..