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Exactly. It's akin to an endorsement by Palin IMO...kiss of death.

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Again, name a policy of Clinton's that will get through the current Congress. Don't forget as well that Clinton is sounding more and more like Sanders, which makes her policies less and less realistic right?

How is Sanders going to be treated any differently by Republicans than Clinton. I mean Clinton has been loved by the GOP for years right?

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Her policies seem to be anything that she thinks would get her elected. And bearing in mind she would make Obama look like the great conciliator, how would any get passed?

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That wasn't my point. You seemed to be asking what the difference was. What Clinton can achieve remains to be seen. I'm not a prophet.

However, she is quite a bit more moderate, and that alone makes her quite a bit less of a threat to dyed in wool conservatives. Besides, she's a "player" just like them, and knows how to play the game.

I'd expect Bernie to be completely and in all ways sentenced to a political prison without parole. He'd be a huge threat to the right. Nobody seriously believes he will win the nomination, so nobody's really wasting time attacking him yet. But if he did, it would be a right-wing onslaught of biblical proportions.

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All I'm doing is questioning the idea that Clinton's policies are more realistic. So far, I haven't had an answer.

As for the idea that she is more moderate, that fails to take into account conservatives personal animosity towards the Clintons.

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:goodpost:

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You were just given a quite reasonable answer. Choosing to ignore it is exactly why idealism fails so often, and frankly, how Trump could actually end up as president.

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You have, but you don't want to hear it. Take healthcare, for example. What Sanders is proposing isn't even supported by his own party. Back in the first half of Obama's first term when there was a Democratic majority in both the Senate and the House, there wasn't support within Democrats to pursue the "public option". Unless something untoward happens in the makeup of Democrats within Congress, I cannot envisage Sanders even being able to persuade his own party that they should hitch themselves to his healthcare proposals. Clinton, otoh, wants to build on what is already there and is working in the ACA. Will she succeed? Maybe not, but surely she has better odds of doing something.

She is more "moderate" but it is a fair point that there is a ridiculous amount of personal animosity towards the Clintons. This is one of the major reasons why I ended up voting for Obama in the '08 primary.

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You still haven't said which of Clinton's policies will pass Congress. There's not much difference between "no chance" and "absolutely no chance".

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That isn't how it works. The Republicans loathe her because (a) she is Hillary Clinton and (b) a member of the opposing party. Her policies are irrelevant; she is not being judged by the right based upon her positions or track record, but based upon the fact that she is The Other and therefore must be destroyed.

That being said, they would much prefer to have Bernie Sanders as an opponent because he can be torn to shreds as a pinko commie socialist. They haven't bothered to attack him because it is presumed that he will not be the nominee and because they are hoping against hope that he might be the nominee. Their efforts to attack Clinton has gone as far as they can go and they really won't be able to do much to her that they haven't done already, whereas Sanders represents fresh meat.

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Sure, let's take healthcare. Why do you expect that the Republicans in Congress who have voted over 60 times to repeal the ACA are now going to vote to expand it. Is that really realistic?

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Who said anything about "expanding" it :confused:

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If Clinton wins the stalemate between the Exec branch and Congress will continue. If Trump or Cruz win and with the backing of the Tea Party things will get done alright. Not for the general benefit of the middle class either.

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Hillary Clinton:

Hillary Clinton previews plan to expand Obamacare and lower health costs - LA Times

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I also gave you a reasonable answer to that. Again, I am not a prophet.

Frankly, I don't really like Clinton at all. I like Bernie, but only because he's kind of a cute old guy with an honest passion.

But in politics of the two, her chances are far better.

I am a right-leaning centrist by nature, but there is not one republican candidate that I find remotely sensible. The entire party is living in an alternate reality.