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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 11885946)
I was home most of the day today, so got to see the whole Mittens speech, and Trump's response. Trump was quite effective in ridiculing Mittens (while bleating on about marble and other utter nonsense).
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 11885946)
Then I got to see some of the debate (until the g/f changed channels to the Golden State Warriors game) ... what an embarrassment for the Republican party! This has to be the most bizarre situation in US political history (well, I've been here since 1983 and don't remember anything like it). Maybe the riots at the democratic convention in the 60s were equally notorious (in a much darker way).
But this is really off the wall. How do they recover from this? |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 11885854)
Trump LITERALLY bragging about the size of his dick.
Shame Kasisch doesn't have a stronger personality. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 11885946)
But this is really off the wall. How do they recover from this?
They won't win this election, and if nothing interesting (wars, global slump) happens for the next four years then they won't win the next. Long term strategy would be building good reputations for Republican figureheads, softening social morality and concentrating of fiscal conservativism. But they never go for long term strategies any more - always short term gains with high-risk of going badly. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
(Post 11886070)
Are these guys running for president or leadership of a high school clique?
Shame Kasisch doesn't have a stronger personality. They are handing the 2016 election to Clinton...one debate at a time. |
Re: 2016 Election
This sensible op-ed was published a few days ago, but I only just saw it. Don't think it has been posted before:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/op...e-routine.html |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Nutmegger
(Post 11886244)
This sensible op-ed was published a few days ago, but I only just saw it. Don't think it has been posted before:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/op...e-routine.html |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 11886297)
Good read and spot on.
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Re: 2016 Election
So talking to friends, it seems many are seriously contemplating leaving if Trump wins. I know, lots of people say that every cycle but never actually leave. The Dems put up with Dubya for 8 years and lived despite him being in charge as the economy tanked. The Reps put up with Obama for 8 years despite him being in charge while the economy was fixed.
But I hear people saying this time it feels different. Yes, Trump's "policies" would be financially disastrous but there seems to be this sentiment that the vocalization of the hate groups would get out of hand very quickly. I don't know. I personally just hope the Dems mobilize the vote on a scale beyond what Obama managed to make sure he doesn't win. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 11886312)
So talking to friends, it seems many are seriously contemplating leaving if Trump wins. I know, lots of people say that every cycle but never actually leave. The Dems put up with Dubya for 8 years and lived despite him being in charge as the economy tanked. The Reps put up with Obama for 8 years despite him being in charge while the economy was fixed.
But I hear people saying this time it feels different. Yes, Trump's "policies" would be financially disastrous but there seems to be this sentiment that the vocalization of the hate groups would get out of hand very quickly. I don't know. I personally just hope the Dems mobilize the vote on a scale beyond what Obama managed to make sure he doesn't win. The question is - what do you gain by leaving, and what would happen differently if you didn't? In reality, the president has little effect on daily life so it's really just a rhetorical statement. As remarkable a Trump presidency would be, I don't think he would actually get to do most of the crazy things he wants to do, especially if he continues to alienate the R party, and especially if the D's get control of congress. And if he starts bombing foreign countries, the only difference 'moving' would make is which TV news show you would watch the reports on. So if it actually happens, I plan to sit back and laugh for a few years. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Steerpike
(Post 11886336)
I arrived in 1983, and friends of mine said they would leave if Reagan was re-elected; he was and they didn't. Of course, back then Thatcher was in power in UK so it was a frying pan/fire situation for sure.
The question is - what do you gain by leaving, and what would happen differently if you didn't? In reality, the president has little effect on daily life so it's really just a rhetorical statement. As remarkable a Trump presidency would be, I don't think he would actually get to do most of the crazy things he wants to do, especially if he continues to alienate the R party, and especially if the D's get control of congress. And if he starts bombing foreign countries, the only difference 'moving' would make is which TV news show you would watch the reports on. So if it actually happens, I plan to sit back and laugh for a few years. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 11886369)
I don't think it is a fear of what Trump might do so much as what his supporters might do.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by dakota44
(Post 11886425)
They are certainly wound up and based on some the assaults on Muslims and blacks recently...it could be a harbinger of things to come.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by sir_eccles
(Post 11886312)
So talking to friends, it seems many are seriously contemplating leaving if Trump wins. I know, lots of people say that every cycle but never actually leave. The Dems put up with Dubya for 8 years and lived despite him being in charge as the economy tanked. The Reps put up with Obama for 8 years despite him being in charge while the economy was fixed.
But I hear people saying this time it feels different. Yes, Trump's "policies" would be financially disastrous but there seems to be this sentiment that the vocalization of the hate groups would get out of hand very quickly. I don't know. I personally just hope the Dems mobilize the vote on a scale beyond what Obama managed to make sure he doesn't win. How has Obama fixed the economy? Biggest national debt in US history, unemployment among African Americans higher now than when he got in, more people on food stamps, etc http://www.heritage.org/~/media/F21A...63C12A0C6.ashx If people want to leave the greatest country in the world because the potential president says things that don't fit in with their idyllic liberal view of the world, then I hope they close the door on their way out |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by themadpooper
(Post 11886470)
If people want to leave ...
Those of us who are expats at least have an option I suppose.
Originally Posted by themadpooper
(Post 11886470)
... the greatest country in the world
Anyway, if you want to argue that the US is the greatest country in the world, then surely you should also concede that someone like Trump shouldn't be able to simply buy their way into the highest office just by laying the populist verbal diarrhea on thicker than his wife's makeup. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by themadpooper
(Post 11886470)
How has Obama fixed the economy? Biggest national debt in US history, unemployment among African Americans higher now than when he got in, more people on food stamps, etc
As for black unemployment, it's now over 20% lower than it was when Obama took office. Not sure what the numbers are for food stamps. |
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