2016 Election
#1862
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However, he said he would keep Canadian military trainers in northern Iraq, the AFP news agency reports."
So, no, they are not "pulling out of the fight against terrorism".
And, in other news:
"David Cameron would be guilty of embarking on a “high-risk and pointless endeavour†if he sought to extend the British bombing mission against Islamic State forces in Iraq to Syria, a senior Tory MP and a former UK ambassador to Syria have warned."
British airstrikes against Isis forces in Syria 'high risk and pointless' | World news | The Guardian
#1863
It's encouraging to see that Trudeau will keep Canada's 70 troops in Iraq. Certainly a major contribution by our peerless ally. Since one of their major tasks was directing Canadian airstrikes against ISIS, we'll have to see what else they will be doing once the strike fighters have bugged out.
Early in the year it was disclosed that some of them had accompanied Iraqi troops they had been training and been engaged in a firefight, which brought heavy criticism from the NDP bench, including Justin. They'll probably be pulled well out of danger and remain there as a marker of Canada's commitment to the War on Terror. The next shoe to drop will be Canada's presence in Afghanistan.
Early in the year it was disclosed that some of them had accompanied Iraqi troops they had been training and been engaged in a firefight, which brought heavy criticism from the NDP bench, including Justin. They'll probably be pulled well out of danger and remain there as a marker of Canada's commitment to the War on Terror. The next shoe to drop will be Canada's presence in Afghanistan.
#1864
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It's encouraging to see that Trudeau will keep Canada's 70 troops in Iraq. Certainly a major contribution by our peerless ally. Since one of their major tasks was directing Canadian airstrikes against ISIS, we'll have to see what else they will be doing once the strike fighters have bugged out.
Early in the year it was disclosed that some of them had accompanied Iraqi troops they had been training and been engaged in a firefight, which brought heavy criticism from the NDP bench, including Justin. They'll probably be pulled well out of danger and remain there as a marker of Canada's commitment to the War on Terror. The next shoe to drop will be Canada's presence in Afghanistan.
Early in the year it was disclosed that some of them had accompanied Iraqi troops they had been training and been engaged in a firefight, which brought heavy criticism from the NDP bench, including Justin. They'll probably be pulled well out of danger and remain there as a marker of Canada's commitment to the War on Terror. The next shoe to drop will be Canada's presence in Afghanistan.

Not sure what this has to do with the '16 election though; maybe you should take it over to the Canada forum. I'm sure people will treat you nicer there.
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#1865
The Russians are also correct that if Assad falls - atrocious a dictator as he is - ISIS will win and turn Syria into a failed state where they can incubate terrorists to be sent all over the world. Since we don't see the logic of that it's time to bow out.
Cameron's critics point out that using the RAF to create a "safe haven" no fly zone on Syrian soil risks tangling with the Russian and Syrian air forces.
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#1866
I don't really care how people treat me here - my expectations are pretty low anyway. About what you and the RoadWarrior could expect if you ventured onto the Free Republic forum and expressed your views. It's true, though, the Brits on the Canada forum seem more polite - goes with the territory I suppose.
#1867
Right, because the bombing campaign against ISIS has been such an unqualified success, it's hard to see any reason why Canada wouldn't continue it 
Not sure what this has to do with the '16 election though; maybe you should take it over to the Canada forum. I'm sure people will treat you nicer there.

Not sure what this has to do with the '16 election though; maybe you should take it over to the Canada forum. I'm sure people will treat you nicer there.
Success, qualified or unqualified, takes more than a few pinpricks from the air. The Russians did 90 missions in one day - equivalent to what the allies did in 3 months. What they're telling us is if you're not serious, go home, and so they are. One interesting tidbit is that the US is sending its 12 A-10 Warthogs to Turkey. If they get involved in the fight against ISIS that could be a game changer. But I don't expect that to happen, it may only be window dressing.
The Russians are also correct that if Assad falls - atrocious a dictator as he is - ISIS will win and turn Syria into a failed state where they can incubate terrorists to be sent all over the world. Since we don't see the logic of that it's time to bow out.
The Russians are also correct that if Assad falls - atrocious a dictator as he is - ISIS will win and turn Syria into a failed state where they can incubate terrorists to be sent all over the world. Since we don't see the logic of that it's time to bow out.
#1868
While it is true that Assad falling would create a power vacuum perfect for ISIS to step into, I feel that Russia's effort against ISIS is rather token and they are there solely to support Assad. It is producing a very messy situation, it won't be long before a US jet shoots down a Russian one or vice versa. I don't blame the Canadians for wanting to get out.
About the Canadians. If somehow the "deconfliction" doesn't work and we find ourselves in a "situation" with the Russians, it's always comforting to know that our gallant allies are nowhere to be found.
#1869
1. Ryan doesn't want to be speaker, he has much higher aspirations, but he doesn't want to be painted as a complete dick for not having stepped up during the crisis.
2. He's putting himself out there as moderate and reasonable yet in reality he's extremely conservative and right wing.
3. He's giving the GOP a laundry list of things he just won't abide by, that way he has an "out" when any of his requirements aren't met. He knows the Freedom Caucus (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) are going to blow everything up ... he just wants to be sure they're the ones that get the blame.
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#1870
3. He's giving the GOP a laundry list of things he just won't abide by, that way he has an "out" when any of his requirements aren't met. He knows the Freedom Caucus (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) are going to blow everything up ... he just wants to be sure they're the ones that get the blame.
This doesn't look good and if they can't get their act together it doesn't bode well for the Republicans in the general election - not only for the top of the ticket but for their Congressional re-election campaigns as well. We could see a repeat of the 2008 results. In won't be the first time they've snatched defeat...
#1871
I think the Freedom Caucus is already painting Ryan as "Boehner Lite" and they won't toe the line if he appears to be reaching across the aisle.
This doesn't look good and if they can't get their act together it doesn't bode well for the Republicans in the general election - not only for the top of the ticket but for their Congressional re-election campaigns as well. We could see a repeat of the 2008 results. In won't be the first time they've snatched defeat...
This doesn't look good and if they can't get their act together it doesn't bode well for the Republicans in the general election - not only for the top of the ticket but for their Congressional re-election campaigns as well. We could see a repeat of the 2008 results. In won't be the first time they've snatched defeat...
#1872
Yeah, I was just listening to some of the reporting on that. That escalated quickly. The situation is completely untenable as Ryan well knows. The establishment Republicans are the ones that want Ryan in there. The nutjobs don't seem to want anybody in there ... who exactly are they offering up as an alternative? There are two completely different Republican parties operating within the Congress. Why don't they just admit they don't love each other anymore and go ahead and file for divorce?
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#1873
Definitely some political savvy from Ryan (or his establishment backers) realizing if someone didn't step up and they went with the freedom caucus candidate the GOP would decend further into the porcelain.
#1875
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Now that Biden is out, frankly I can't see any candidate from either side being "electable" in a "landslide" sort of way. And for that reason, America's Berlusconi, "the Don" is holding the best hand of all the gangsters in the game.
I reckon it will be yet another choice of "lesser of the evils"... Tough choice, though. They're all pretty much living in a dream world.
I reckon it will be yet another choice of "lesser of the evils"... Tough choice, though. They're all pretty much living in a dream world.



