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Old Oct 29th 2015 | 5:38 am
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See also Kansas.
See also Wisconsin.
 
Old Oct 29th 2015 | 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
First, I referenced the series of debates, not last night's debacle. The moderators don't identify themselves as such, but starting with George Stephanopolis (a true Clinton operative) and Candy Crowley, and working down, the rank and file are overwhelmingly left of centre and outright hostile to Republicans.
Don't forget that Commie Megyn Kelly asking Trump all those mean and nasty questions.
 
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
First, I referenced the series of debates, not last night's debacle. The moderators don't identify themselves as such, but starting with George Stephanopolis (a true Clinton operative) and Candy Crowley, and working down, the rank and file are overwhelmingly left of centre and outright hostile to Republicans.
Right, you referenced a series of debates, not just last night's. So specifically in terms of last night's do you believe the moderators were "Clinton operatives and left-wing activists"?

And, yeh, how dare Candy Crowley correct Romney's false contention on what Obama said after Benghazi!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/politi...ritics-debate/

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Rubio correctly identified the main stream media as a Democratic SuperPac. It's just a fact of life and to deny it is to ignore reality. That's why we have to read the UK papers to get a more balanced view of things in this country.
I don't think it's a "fact" at all. The Republicans have made a science - I choose that word deliberately - out of playing the victim of the "lamestream media".

Glad you like reading The Guardian though...

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Old Oct 29th 2015 | 5:43 am
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I don't think it's a "fact" at all. The Republicans have made a science - I choose that word deliberately - out of playing the victim of the "lamestream media".
As I said before facts now have a left wing bias.
 
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Why is it whenever a Republican gets asked a hard question they complain about left wing bias? Let's face it, all the candidates' tax plans are a bunch of shite where people pay less tax and the economy magically grows to compensate. That worked really well when Bush cut taxes.
There is a Wiki article on Reagan’s tax cuts that discusses the pros and cons of his plan that reduced the top rate to 28% for individuals. Economists, as usual, are all over the place, but revenues did double during his administration, despite the cut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics So a revenue neutral tax cut plan might not devastate the economy and might do some good.
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You missed Huma Abedin and Noam Chomsky asking the questions last night?
Damn, you’re right, I missed that part of the debate!
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Don't forget that Commie Megyn Kelly asking Trump all those mean and nasty questions.
That was the earlier debate. I understand from an unimpeachable source (Trump) that it was the wrong time of the month for her.
Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Right, you referenced a series of debates, not just last night's. So specifically in terms of last night's do you believe the moderators were "Clinton operatives and left-wing activists"? They were absolutely left of centre. Now Santelli wasn’t, but he wasn’t a player, and Cramer just made a fool of himself.

And, yeh, how dare Candy Crowley correct Romney's false contention on what Obama said after Benghazi!

The truth about what Candy Crowley said - CNNPolitics.com

I see CNN did its own fact checking. The point is that she bailed out Obama – not her job, although of course it really was.

I don't think it's a "fact" at all. The Republicans have made a science - I choose that word deliberately - out of playing the victim of the "lamestream media".

Glad you like reading The Guardian though...
There is a science of victimology and the Republicans are late to the game. Hillary had one shining moment of victimhood many years ago when Rick Lazio threatened her with a piece of paper he asked her to sign during a debate. Lazio “invaded her space” and that is something Rubio would be well to avoid – could cost him the election.
You have to read the DM, the Torygraph, the Guardian and Times to get the full picture of what's going on this side of the pond. Don't you do the same?
 
Old Oct 29th 2015 | 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
There is a Wiki article on Reagan’s tax cuts that discusses the pros and cons of his plan that reduced the top rate to 28% for individuals. Economists, as usual, are all over the place, but revenues did double during his administration, despite the cut. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaganomics So a revenue neutral tax cut plan might not devastate the economy and might do some good.
There's two problems with this comparison though.

1) The initial tax rates were much higher at the start of Reagan's presidency. Now there isn't much room to move, which makes tax rates of 10 or 15% absurd.

2) Back then deficits didn't matter, so there was a corresponding ballooning of levels of debt, but you couldn't get away with that now as the national debt is the worst thing ever.
 
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Originally Posted by sir_eccles
I guess that's one of the "facts" that Flavius was talking about. Just watch the "biased liberal media" that's "hostile to Republicans" jump on this.

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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
They were absolutely left of centre. Now Santelli wasn’t, but he wasn’t a player, and Cramer just made a fool of himself.
I see the goalposts moved from "Clinton operatives and left-wing activists" to "left of centre"...

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
There is a science of victimology and the Republicans are late to the game. Hillary had one shining moment of victimhood many years ago when Rick Lazio threatened her with a piece of paper he asked her to sign during a debate. Lazio “invaded her space” and that is something Rubio would be well to avoid – could cost him the election.
It's odd that you didn't mention that Gore did exactly the same thing to Bush in exactly the same election season. But I guess that didn't fit the "point" you were trying and failing to make. The fact is that both broke debate rules by their actions.

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
You have to read the DM, the Torygraph, the Guardian and Times to get the full picture of what's going on this side of the pond. Don't you do the same?
The Daily Mail? Really?

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Old Oct 29th 2015 | 8:51 am
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It's odd that you didn't mention that Gore did exactly the same thing to Bush in exactly the same election season. But I guess that didn't fit the "point" you were trying and failing to make. The fact is that both broke debate rules by their actions.

The Daily Mail? Really?
As I recall, Bush was male, so "invading his space" wasn't fatal. But Hillary in the Senate debate and Hillary in the upcoming Presidential debate remains female. So "invading her space" could be fatal to Rubio's or Cruz's debate performance and probably the election as a result, since the gender card will be central to her campaign. Different rules, depending on which side of the gender divide you're on. Thought you would have known that.

Daily Mail? Sure: CNBC's Republican debate off the rails as Donald Trump, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio go to war | Daily Mail Online
 
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
As I recall, Bush was male, so "invading his space" wasn't fatal. But Hillary in the Senate debate and Hillary in the upcoming Presidential debate remains female. So "invading her space" could be fatal to Rubio's or Cruz's debate performance and probably the election as a result, since the gender card will be central to her campaign. Different rules, depending on which side of the gender divide you're on. Thought you would have known that.
Sure I know that. But given that you were trying to make a point about the "Republicans being late to the victimology game" the gender issue was irrelevant.... and would apply equally to anyone debating Fiorina.

You didn't need to go to the British media for that kind of coverage, Fox News would have done.

This is more the standard of the Daily Mail's US coverage:

Oregon TSA agents 'forced 90-year-old woman to take off her shirt and bra' | Daily Mail Online

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I'm sure this is all just more left wing bias.

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Now THAT'S coverage of the US scene, Daily Mail style!

Of course, TSA denies they forced her to take off her clothes, and if they had, it would have been a female agent who would have been with her. Hard to know where the truth really lies. DM does this stuff for every country where they can get a good story.
 
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"Republicans will not air February debate on NBC

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Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Preibus said CNBC's moderators subjected the candidates to unfair, "mean-spirited" questions"

Republicans will not air February debate on NBC - BBC News

And the BBC's analysis:

"The Republican National Committee has been sharply criticised by some campaigns for its handling of the debates, so this move could be seen as an attempt to deflect blame onto that traditional conservative punching bag, the media"

Yep, that is spot on.
 
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"Republicans will not air February debate on NBC

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Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Preibus said CNBC's moderators subjected the candidates to unfair, "mean-spirited" questions"

Republicans will not air February debate on NBC - BBC News

And the BBC's analysis:

"The Republican National Committee has been sharply criticised by some campaigns for its handling of the debates, so this move could be seen as an attempt to deflect blame onto that traditional conservative punching bag, the media"

Yep, that is spot on.
I'm shocked that the Beeb would take that line. Shocked.
 


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