2016 Election
#1997
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Although the moderating was a little bizarre at times - and Jim Cramer was positively hopeless - I disagree with the assertion that it was generally poor. In fact, it did two things. Firstly, by being (deliberately) contentious, it brought about discussion of significant differences between candidates in various policy areas. Secondly, it exposed Trump and Carson as being at least disingenuous. For example, Trump's own website has a policy proposal to reduce H1B visas. It was good to see him get called on this: either it's not his policy, or he's out of touch with what he's promoting as his policy. Secondly, Carson claimed ""I didn't have any involvement. That's total propaganda" in this weird dietary supplement company. Hmm:
Ben Carson Denies Ties To Dietary Supplement Firm Despite Longtime Involvement
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...natech/412987/
Rubio is the most sensible of this bunch right now. I think him versus Clinton would be an interesting contest. The rest are little more than a rabble. Kasich, who I like too, obviously changed his tone because he's doing so poorly in the polls:- a hail Mary pass, in fact. It really didn't work, plus I see the fact-checkers are going to town on him today.
Ben Carson Denies Ties To Dietary Supplement Firm Despite Longtime Involvement
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...natech/412987/
Rubio is the most sensible of this bunch right now. I think him versus Clinton would be an interesting contest. The rest are little more than a rabble. Kasich, who I like too, obviously changed his tone because he's doing so poorly in the polls:- a hail Mary pass, in fact. It really didn't work, plus I see the fact-checkers are going to town on him today.
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#1998
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Plus that Kudlow character (mentioned by Trump) is as right-wing as you can get.
#1999
I didn't watch it, but apparently Graham owned the kiddie debate prior to this, so maybe he'll get to play with the big boys next time.
#2001
It's strange that he's so terrible at this. I mean Dubya had to compete with McCain, Forbes, Orrin Hatch, Dan Quayle, Pat Buchanan et. al, and owned them all. But Jeb can't even cope with this crowd. I guess he isn't the smart one after all.
#2002
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I will be back in Boulder Saturday for the Rugger, might well see someone who was there.
Certainly the local view was that CNBC was an embarrassment, doubt if anybody wants to see them back.
Certainly the local view was that CNBC was an embarrassment, doubt if anybody wants to see them back.
#2003
It is inexplicable to me that the RNC allows its stable of candidates to be exposed to a series debates moderated by Clinton operatives and left-wing activists. Maybe one, on MSNBC, to toughen them for the general. If I were in charge, the debates would be moderated by a panel of respected journalists on NPR or FNC (the only major that would do it and isn't in the tank for the Dems). Note: the DNC is smart enough not to allow Fox to host a debate involving its candidate.
My take is that the candidate who is most dangerous to Hillary is Rubio. As an attorney who (before his retirement) has taken part in hundreds of arguments before the Courts and juries, I recognize someone who can think on his feet, can respond instantly and devastatingly to points made by the opponent (in this "debate" the moderators and JEB!) and who retains and can marshal the facts and present them in a logical and persuasive manner.
The two smartest guys in the room were Rubio and Cruz. I think when the smoke clears the primary voters are going to choose one of them for their candidate. Fiorina is almost assured the VP slot. Hillary need not yet start measuring the WH windows for new curtains.
My take is that the candidate who is most dangerous to Hillary is Rubio. As an attorney who (before his retirement) has taken part in hundreds of arguments before the Courts and juries, I recognize someone who can think on his feet, can respond instantly and devastatingly to points made by the opponent (in this "debate" the moderators and JEB!) and who retains and can marshal the facts and present them in a logical and persuasive manner.
The two smartest guys in the room were Rubio and Cruz. I think when the smoke clears the primary voters are going to choose one of them for their candidate. Fiorina is almost assured the VP slot. Hillary need not yet start measuring the WH windows for new curtains.
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#2004
I was under the impression that the candidates got what they asked for, i.e. the RNC and the candidates set the rules/questions for the debates.
#2005
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Care to back up your assertion that the moderators of this debate were "Clinton operatives and left-wing activists"?
#2006
Neither the RNC nor the candidates have any say on the questions. In the case of the Demo debates, no reason, to as all the questions coming from their Superpac will be softballs.
#2007
It is inexplicable to me that the RNC allows its stable of candidates to be exposed to a series debates moderated by Clinton operatives and left-wing activists. Maybe one, on MSNBC, to toughen them for the general. If I were in charge, the debates would be moderated by a panel of respected journalists on NPR or FNC (the only major that would do it and isn't in the tank for the Dems). Note: the DNC is smart enough not to allow Fox to host a debate involving its candidate.
My take is that the candidate who is most dangerous to Hillary is Rubio. As an attorney who (before his retirement) has taken part in hundreds of arguments before the Courts and juries, I recognize someone who can think on his feet, can respond instantly and devastatingly to points made by the opponent (in this "debate" the moderators and JEB!) and who retains and can marshal the facts and present them in a logical and persuasive manner.
The two smartest guys in the room were Rubio and Cruz. I think when the smoke clears the primary voters are going to choose one of them for their candidate. Fiorina is almost assured the VP slot. Hillary need not yet start measuring the WH windows for new curtains.
My take is that the candidate who is most dangerous to Hillary is Rubio. As an attorney who (before his retirement) has taken part in hundreds of arguments before the Courts and juries, I recognize someone who can think on his feet, can respond instantly and devastatingly to points made by the opponent (in this "debate" the moderators and JEB!) and who retains and can marshal the facts and present them in a logical and persuasive manner.
The two smartest guys in the room were Rubio and Cruz. I think when the smoke clears the primary voters are going to choose one of them for their candidate. Fiorina is almost assured the VP slot. Hillary need not yet start measuring the WH windows for new curtains.
I guess as this point we might as well say that the facts have a left wing bias, as that seems to be the reality.
As for the candidate, I'd say Rubio is starting to look more likely, which makes it a shame he's bought and paid for by Sheldon Adelson
#2010
Rubio correctly identified the main stream media as a Democratic SuperPac. It's just a fact of life and to deny it is to ignore reality. That's why we have to read the UK papers to get a more balanced view of things in this country.



