UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
Mar 22nd 2013, 9:28 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
hola bat7311,
No matter what you say, I for one am going to wait to see what happens. I will also bide my time as I don´t believe that there is sufficient bandwidth for everyone to watch Coronation Street for example using the internet.
I am quite happy to be proved wrong - but in July / August or September when everything has shaken down.
Davexf
No matter what you say, I for one am going to wait to see what happens. I will also bide my time as I don´t believe that there is sufficient bandwidth for everyone to watch Coronation Street for example using the internet.
I am quite happy to be proved wrong - but in July / August or September when everything has shaken down.
Davexf
Mar 22nd 2013, 9:30 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
Sky would benefit greatly by "legitimately" offering their UK content in places like Germany or Spain, but the contracts with the studios and sports clubs for broadcast rights prevent them from doing so. They are obliged to make every reasonable effort to prevent say, a movie or a football game broadcast in the UK, from being readily received in Spain or Germany or anywhere else, even though they benefit from their signal being available outside their contracted broadcast area.
IF CBS doesn't mind broadcasting NCIS to anybody anywhere, then that's their decision. They own the content.
Satellite providers like Astra could easily broaden their beam to include all of Europe, but that's not what their customers (the broadcasters) require. So as the new satellites are put up, they use increasingly better technologies to "focus" the beam into specific regions that the broadcasters ask for, so that it requires more expensive kit and fewer viewers outside the beam are likely to receive it, and therefore, the broadcasters can demonstrate their efforts to meet their contractual obligations.
But it will never be perfect, and there will always be a way to receive it, if you're willing to pay for the monster kit to do it.
EDIT: And yes, it is a breach of contract to receive it outside the UK. The legality of it, however, is a bit fuzzier. The signal from these broadcasts are indeed landing on your property in Spain, and I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that if it lands on your property, you may legally receive the free to air broadcasts, as long as you are not illegally subverting any proprietary encryption to protect pay broadcasts.
The internet is a different story, since in most cases, some third-party entity knowingly broadcasts the content in violation of the content owner's rights, which I'd expect would be legally considered a type of copyright violation.
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Mar 22nd 2013, 9:42 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
For SkyGO you need a UK address for your Sky contract so once again we are in that dodgy area of infringing your contract with Sky if you live abroad.
They do switch users off and will refuse connections if they believe that the receiver is not in the UK.
They do switch users off and will refuse connections if they believe that the receiver is not in the UK.
Mar 22nd 2013, 9:43 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
Not my words.....
but taken from
http://www.tenerife-information-cent...-tenerife.html
This also refers to some legal action takin in 2009. Yes time has moved on as has the technology. But the legal precendent is there. At some point someone somewhere is going to jump on the use of the internet, vpn's and IP blockers to obtain something to which they are not entitled....
May I say, from the outset, that obtaining Sky TV programmes outside the UK is actually illegal - but, judging from the number of bars with big screens showing Sky Sports, this problem can obviously be surmounted
I'll say again: this is illegal. True, BSkyB tend to turn a blind eye to it, but it's still up to you if you want to do it - and I stress that The Tenerife Information Centre is not endorsing this practice in any way. (In fact, in March, 2009, the Spanish authorities announced that they consider British Sky TV programmes illegal in Spain and will confiscate receivers and Sky cards. See the Important Notice, below.)
I'll say again: this is illegal. True, BSkyB tend to turn a blind eye to it, but it's still up to you if you want to do it - and I stress that The Tenerife Information Centre is not endorsing this practice in any way. (In fact, in March, 2009, the Spanish authorities announced that they consider British Sky TV programmes illegal in Spain and will confiscate receivers and Sky cards. See the Important Notice, below.)
http://www.tenerife-information-cent...-tenerife.html
This also refers to some legal action takin in 2009. Yes time has moved on as has the technology. But the legal precendent is there. At some point someone somewhere is going to jump on the use of the internet, vpn's and IP blockers to obtain something to which they are not entitled....
Mar 22nd 2013, 9:57 am
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It just so happens that SKY (same company) is the premier payTV broadcaster in Germany, too. But they don't broadcast UK content. If you think there wouldn't be any demand, consider that there are thousands and thousands of "under the table" Sky >UK< subscribers in Germany, and a large percentage of them are Germans!
Sky would benefit greatly by "legitimately" offering their UK content in places like Germany or Spain, but the contracts with the studios and sports clubs for broadcast rights prevent them from doing so. They are obliged to make every reasonable effort to prevent say, a movie or a football game broadcast in the UK, from being readily received in Spain or Germany or anywhere else, even though they benefit from their signal being available outside their contracted broadcast area.
IF CBS doesn't mind broadcasting NCIS to anybody anywhere, then that's their decision. They own the content.
Satellite providers like Astra could easily broaden their beam to include all of Europe, but that's not what their customers (the broadcasters) require. So as the new satellites are put up, they use increasingly better technologies to "focus" the beam into specific regions that the broadcasters ask for, so that it requires more expensive kit and fewer viewers outside the beam are likely to receive it, and therefore, the broadcasters can demonstrate their efforts to meet their contractual obligations.
But it will never be perfect, and there will always be a way to receive it, if you're willing to pay for the monster kit to do it.
Sky would benefit greatly by "legitimately" offering their UK content in places like Germany or Spain, but the contracts with the studios and sports clubs for broadcast rights prevent them from doing so. They are obliged to make every reasonable effort to prevent say, a movie or a football game broadcast in the UK, from being readily received in Spain or Germany or anywhere else, even though they benefit from their signal being available outside their contracted broadcast area.
IF CBS doesn't mind broadcasting NCIS to anybody anywhere, then that's their decision. They own the content.
Satellite providers like Astra could easily broaden their beam to include all of Europe, but that's not what their customers (the broadcasters) require. So as the new satellites are put up, they use increasingly better technologies to "focus" the beam into specific regions that the broadcasters ask for, so that it requires more expensive kit and fewer viewers outside the beam are likely to receive it, and therefore, the broadcasters can demonstrate their efforts to meet their contractual obligations.
But it will never be perfect, and there will always be a way to receive it, if you're willing to pay for the monster kit to do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilmOn
As I am sure you would have if you had spent the past 8years or so (and many many $millions) putting progs like NCIS at the top of the world wide league tables.
addnl - Fox is owned by News Corporation, who own Sky.
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Mar 22nd 2013, 10:39 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
I have this morning spoken to Sky who have emphatically stated that Sky, Sky Go and other services within the group are UK only and they do not have any arrangements with anyone to provide their services in Spain. It was also emphasised that if I was offered their products in Spain I should think very carefully before accepting.
Tech Note - I did not say where in Spain I lived, the call was made on Skype so not traceable and when asked by their automated system for my telephone number I gave a dummy number on the 0203 exchange.
No animals were injured or used in this exercise.
Tech Note - I did not say where in Spain I lived, the call was made on Skype so not traceable and when asked by their automated system for my telephone number I gave a dummy number on the 0203 exchange.
No animals were injured or used in this exercise.
Mar 22nd 2013, 11:08 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
It is the local bandwidths that I fear may not be able to cope; if you live halfway up a mountain, and get internet through a landline, will the cables take what is required for fulltime TV viewing? That is my doubt
But I am very happy to be proved wrong
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Mar 22nd 2013, 11:43 am
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
Yes but they don´t all live in the same place - i.e. Spain - will the Spanish system be able to cope??? And will my local Movistar have sufficient bandwidth for MY town?
It is the local bandwidths that I fear may not be able to cope; if you live halfway up a mountain, and get internet through a landline, will the cables take what is required for fulltime TV viewing? That is my doubt
But I am very happy to be proved wrong
Davexf
It is the local bandwidths that I fear may not be able to cope; if you live halfway up a mountain, and get internet through a landline, will the cables take what is required for fulltime TV viewing? That is my doubt
But I am very happy to be proved wrong
Davexf
Mar 22nd 2013, 12:08 pm
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Another one after your money, where will the back up be if your internet service will not support the equipment will you get a refund.
As the previous poster said potentially another set of useless equipment.
As the previous poster said potentially another set of useless equipment.
Mar 22nd 2013, 12:18 pm
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I think it is exceedingly adventurous of someone trained to the dizzy heights in the use of Microsoft software to venture out and try to emulate Alki David, who is (currently) supposed to be worth $1.7billion.
Agnes, I hope that Colin Wood isn't a relative.
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Mar 22nd 2013, 12:20 pm
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Re: UK TV IN SPAIN - STATEMENT PLEASE
Hi
I have read through the site and it does make the point that your contract with your ISP, and the ISP´s ability so supply the bandwidth, is outside of their control and therefore not their responsibility.
I reiterate - The wise money will wait to see what happens.
Davexf
I have read through the site and it does make the point that your contract with your ISP, and the ISP´s ability so supply the bandwidth, is outside of their control and therefore not their responsibility.
I reiterate - The wise money will wait to see what happens.
Davexf
Mar 22nd 2013, 2:35 pm
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Mar 22nd 2013, 10:52 pm
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It just so happens that SKY (same company) is the premier payTV broadcaster in Germany, too. But they don't broadcast UK content. If you think there wouldn't be any demand, consider that there are thousands and thousands of "under the table" Sky >UK< subscribers in Germany, and a large percentage of them are Germans!
Sky would benefit greatly by "legitimately" offering their UK content in places like Germany or Spain, but the contracts with the studios and sports clubs for broadcast rights prevent them from doing so. They are obliged to make every reasonable effort to prevent say, a movie or a football game broadcast in the UK, from being readily received in Spain or Germany or anywhere else, even though they benefit from their signal being available outside their contracted broadcast area.
IF CBS doesn't mind broadcasting NCIS to anybody anywhere, then that's their decision. They own the content.
Satellite providers like Astra could easily broaden their beam to include all of Europe, but that's not what their customers (the broadcasters) require. So as the new satellites are put up, they use increasingly better technologies to "focus" the beam into specific regions that the broadcasters ask for, so that it requires more expensive kit and fewer viewers outside the beam are likely to receive it, and therefore, the broadcasters can demonstrate their efforts to meet their contractual obligations.
But it will never be perfect, and there will always be a way to receive it, if you're willing to pay for the monster kit to do it.
EDIT: And yes, it is a breach of contract to receive it outside the UK. The legality of it, however, is a bit fuzzier. The signal from these broadcasts are indeed landing on your property in Spain, and I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that if it lands on your property, you may legally receive the free to air broadcasts, as long as you are not illegally subverting any proprietary encryption to protect pay broadcasts.
The internet is a different story, since in most cases, some third-party entity knowingly broadcasts the content in violation of the content owner's rights, which I'd expect would be legally considered a type of copyright violation.
Sky would benefit greatly by "legitimately" offering their UK content in places like Germany or Spain, but the contracts with the studios and sports clubs for broadcast rights prevent them from doing so. They are obliged to make every reasonable effort to prevent say, a movie or a football game broadcast in the UK, from being readily received in Spain or Germany or anywhere else, even though they benefit from their signal being available outside their contracted broadcast area.
IF CBS doesn't mind broadcasting NCIS to anybody anywhere, then that's their decision. They own the content.
Satellite providers like Astra could easily broaden their beam to include all of Europe, but that's not what their customers (the broadcasters) require. So as the new satellites are put up, they use increasingly better technologies to "focus" the beam into specific regions that the broadcasters ask for, so that it requires more expensive kit and fewer viewers outside the beam are likely to receive it, and therefore, the broadcasters can demonstrate their efforts to meet their contractual obligations.
But it will never be perfect, and there will always be a way to receive it, if you're willing to pay for the monster kit to do it.
EDIT: And yes, it is a breach of contract to receive it outside the UK. The legality of it, however, is a bit fuzzier. The signal from these broadcasts are indeed landing on your property in Spain, and I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that if it lands on your property, you may legally receive the free to air broadcasts, as long as you are not illegally subverting any proprietary encryption to protect pay broadcasts.
The internet is a different story, since in most cases, some third-party entity knowingly broadcasts the content in violation of the content owner's rights, which I'd expect would be legally considered a type of copyright violation.
NEW ruling has made it legal ...
BSKYB and SKY DE are entirely different companies .
CBS are one of the major networks in the USA - NCIS, MENTALIST,BIG BANG
they post all there programs free on the internet 8 days after its shown on tv ...so much for protection .....
it seems to me that the internet has moved the world on and for some reason a lot of people are not aware of it ...maybe its the 4G gap
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